The HDD + console includes a Headset, ethernet cable, and 3 months of XBL.  Also, I do know what AA batteries cost.  If you get rechargable AA batteries, you can live off of 4 batteries for just $9.  Also, most Homes do have wireless these days, but most consoles still use wired.  You want to know why?  Because most consoles are located in the main living room with the main TV, the cable set top box, the internet router, etc.  Having a simple and cheap ethernet cable (included in 360 purchase or with the 60GB upgrade pack) is much simpler and provides much better connection.

Also, you can use basically any bridged wireless adapter without needing the official Microsoft add-on, for just $30 or less.  Did I mention you also get backwards compatibility with most Xbox games?  Oh, and the Xbox 360 supports 1080p out of the box with the HD component cables, while the PS3 requires a secondary HDMI cable purchase to get HD...

Seems like for an Xbox 360:
$200 + $100 + $9 + $30 = $339 (still much cheaper than a PS3).

PS3:
$400 + $30 - HDMI cable = $430.

Not to mention most people do not NEED a 60GB hard drive.  They can get a 20GB hard drive for just $30 for their 360.

360:
$200 + $30 + $9 = $239 (for a fully HD ready console with 20GB hard drive and rechargable batteries.  No wireless adapter necessary, but if needed, add $30 and get $269.  That's almost $150-200 cheaper than a PS3!!!! GASP!)

I'm sorry that, by posting, you in fact showed your own self as a fanboy, thus inviting this horribly thrashing post of mine to dispose of your so called "logic." If you really spent that much on your new replacement 360 (if you even really do own a 360), then you my friend.... are an idiot uneducated consumer.

NightSurge - 1; Groucho - 0

Lol. Okay. Microsoft overcharged both of us this gen. I'd say they are the "winner" overall. If you want to pretend you saved some big money (somewhere) though, and that everyone else has as well... more power to you. That should help the economy some.

Ouch.  Thus comes the blisteringly painful post of Groucho's fanboy demise.  If you would like to pretend that you got some hidden "value" in your PS3 purchase, and that all other PS3 users have as well... more power to you.  That should help Sony stay out of bankruptcy.

Now I am off to go play my backwards compatible, fully HD out of the box, superior wired network Xbox 360.  You go off somewhere and practice fishing with your flaimbait.

"flaimbait"... that's a pretty interesting way to spell "flamebait".  Curious that both seece and nightsurge use it.  Is it the cool new way to misspell that word?  So commonplace that two supporting posters, backing each other up so soundly and quickly, would use it?

I was merely mentioning that the X360 costs as much or more than the PS3.  Your ("both" of your) responses stated that, if the X360 purchaser were to lose some pretty important items (HDD, wireles networking), that it'd be oh so much cheaper.  That's what I LOL at.

@Groucho:

You're an idiot.  Don't you know that wireless creates so much more latency?  Look it up!  I use my PS3 with an ethernet cable as should all gamers that don't want to deal with extra lag.  Also, when I bought my PS3 (granted it was $600 at the time), I had to buy a seperate HDMI cable that was $100 from Sony.  Of course I didn't let Sony rape me on that cost.  Face it, that tired old 360 costing more than the PS3 argument should be buried. 

Also, the big point about recharging batteries: have you had to send your controller back to Sony cause it won't hold a charge? I've had to and it sucks. You might as well buy a new one for the time you have to wait. 

Yeah, MS did a much better job on making the hard drive an optional accessory, because it seems like every game I get for the PS3 needs to be installed(around 3-5GB everytime!!) 

Sorry but i'm having some major buyers remorse. I wish I just got the 360.  I'm tired of having the same games with slower framerates and lower resolution.  Why have you cursed us so SONY!!!????!?!?!?

Nightsurge, do you have like 3 accounts?  Just wondering.

Poor, poor Groucho.  He comes into this topic, goes completely off course by mentioning some fanboyish argument over the price and add-ons, then gets proven wrong, then his only remaining argument is to try and bash us for misspelling a word?  I am very sorry that I have not pleased you, grammar nazi.  Next time I shall proofread better.

And no, I have one account.  PS4Life joined a while ago posting some positive "PS3 pricecut" article crap.. I don't know where he came from to post in this thread.

Also, I believe my response stated many alternatives, including cheaper HDD and wireless, all of which made the 360 a better value.  Now please, stop de-railing this thread on ATTACHMENT RATIOS and go rethink your "logic."

I "concede" to Nightsurge+PS4Life+seece+ probably frybread+<random low post-count account>'s "genious". Reading through the posts should make it obvious to anyone who cares.

In reference to the OP, I was merely pointing out that MS merely has a more clever pricing scheme... its not actually cheaper.  But of course, I'm "wrong".

Another quality post toastboy, keep it up!  Inserted reasons why your logic is horrible in most cases.

At least you admit it.

And you are right, as long as most people reading this thread are smarter than you, they will be able to see your very flawed logic.