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lanjiaona said:

For two years now analysts have been predicting the imminent demise of the Wii. They have become a bit quiet recently as it chalks up ever more amazing sales success. Yet there are a few reasons why what we are seeing now is the end of the boom.

  • Any bubble bursts just as it reaches its biggest size. And the Wii is now selling in massively unsustainable numbers. It just cannot go on. So we'll see negative sales? Or sales below the unprecedented record pace we currently see? And will that happen before or after demand has been met?
  • The penetration of HDTVs has increased massively over the last two years. Thus cruelly exposing the Wii’s last generation graphics to far more people. Ssssht, let me tell you a secret: you can actually play Wii on a HDTV, even with progressive scan! It's amazing! Another secret: if graphics were so important, Wii wouldn't have been the #1 console in the first place...
  • The Xbox 360 is cheaper. Last time I checked Wii is still outselling it massively...
  • The Xbox 360 is a huge amount better than the Wii. It has far more games and vastly more good games. And it has Live, by far the best online gaming portal. Gradually the public will come round to understanding these realities. Wii has motion controls and Wii Fit. So far it has proven to be a lot more of an asset than Live.
  • The Wii has a very weak game library. The first party games, a few good third party games. Then lots of dross shovel ware. And game consoles are for playing games. It also has insane software sales. And loads of quality games coming.
  • Nintendo have now rolled out all their great and famous properties on the Wii. So they have very few places left to go for the stream of AAA titles needed to sustain a platform. Strange, I haven't seen F-Zero, Punch Out, StarFox yet for example. Besides there are not even sequels to Mario, Zelda, Fire Emblem, Metroid yet, while we did see Gears 2, Motorstorm 2 and Resistance 2.
  • The Wii is not making much money for many publishers so they are voting with their feet and allocating their resources to platforms that will make them money. Please tell Sega they're wrong.
  • Most of the Wii customer base is the very casual “toy” market. They will be very fickle as they move onto the next “must have” trend. The Wii will become tired. So will they all sell their Wii's?
  • Money is getting a lot tighter as the world tips into recession. Casual frippery, like most Wii purchases, will be an early casualty. Yes, instead people will buy $400 PS3's with a HDTV.
  • Most people likely to buy a Wii already have. In terms of market penetration Nintendo are now going to suffer from the law of diminishing returns. Absolutely, I predict that a product that hasn't met demand at record sales will stop selling right away.

So there we have it. Plenty of reasons why the Wii must eventually face the inevitable. And because the boom has been so massive the collapse of sales will be equally dramatic. And when will this be? Let’s put it this way, we are experiencing the last big Christmas for the Wii.

 

 

 

Wow at so much stupidity in one post. It is that I'm already quite a while at this forum, but I think you made the top 10, and that's saying something.

You realize that even if Wii stopped selling completely from tomorrow onwards it would take PS3 and 360, at some 10 million sales per year, about 2 years to catch-up, right? I hope that hurts.



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@OP: I'd be tempted to facepalm, but I'm fascinated by such a bold defiance of reality.



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Viper1 said:
I've noticed a dichotomy of complaints against the Wii.

It's too similar to something else - It's too different from everything else.
Nintendo doesn't appeal to their fans anymore - Nintendo has released games for all their franchises already.
3rd parties don't support it. - 3rd parties release too many games I don't like.
It sells because it's cheap - It's overpriced.
The casual market is killing the industry. - PS2 started the casual market, not Nintendo.


Can you guys make up your minds. Not only are the goal posts moving further and further back but you're kicking to both ends of the field and don't know it.

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I am probably going to give this more attention than it deserves. But here is a point-by-point rebuttal of what Lanjiaona said:

  • Any bubble bursts just as it reaches its biggest size. And the Wii is now selling in massively unsustainable numbers. It just cannot go on.

Actually, the DS already proved that this is not the case ... that sales can continue to increase above record levels. And the Xbox 360's sales have been up each holiday season over its previous one.

  • The penetration of HDTVs has increased massively over the last two years. Thus cruelly exposing the Wii’s last generation graphics to far more people.

Actually, HDTV sales slowed this holiday season.

  • The Xbox 360 is cheaper.

Actually, only the Arcade model is cheaper. It didn't cause a massive shift in sales in Europe and has not caused one in North America.  It costs another $100 (or $50 more than the Wii) to get what is needed to fully enjoy the Xbox 360 experience.

  • The Xbox 360 is a huge amount better than the Wii. It has far more games and vastly more good games. And it has Live, by far the best online gaming portal. Gradually the public will come round to understanding these realities.

Actually, not everyone plays FPSs, Sports, or RPGs. Also a lot of people don't like to pay $50 per year to play on-line games.

  • The Wii has a very weak game library. The first party games, a few good third party games. Then lots of dross shovel ware. And game consoles are for playing games.

Actually, the mixed game library is a sign of industry leader.

  • Nintendo have now rolled out all their great and famous properties on the Wii. So they have very few places left to go for the stream of AAA titles needed to sustain a platform.

Actually, the Zelda was a port of a GC title, not an original one. And many IPs -- from Star Fox to Pikimin to Kid Icarus to Kirby --- have not made full-fledged Wii appearances yet. (And the PS3 and Xbox 360 have also pubished most of their iconic titles).

  • The Wii is not making much money for many publishers so they are voting with their feet and allocating their resources to platforms that will make them money.

Actually, publishers seem to be going the other way. I cannot think of one publsher that has backed off of Wii support (some have not supported it but never supported it).

  • Most of the Wii customer base is the very casual “toy” market. They will be very fickle as they move onto the next “must have” trend. The Wii will become tired.

Actually, demand has been so high that supply has been constrinated, keeping the Wii a "must have" for so long that it has passed fad status.

  • Money is getting a lot tighter as the world tips into recession. Casual frippery, like most Wii purchases, will be an early casualty.

Actually, the Wii has racked up record sales. And the complete system price ($250) and games (topping out at $50) are cheapest of the three current consoles.

  • Most people likely to buy a Wii already have. In terms of market penetration Nintendo are now going to suffer from the law of diminishing returns.

Actually, it is still roughly 80M behind the PS2 -- which had many casual users. And there are new markets such as China and India in which to sell consoles.

 

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Awesome op. Can we agree the PS3 and the Wii are doomed?



Hawk said:
olanjiaona said:

For two years now analysts have been predicting the imminent demise of the Wii. They have become a bit quiet recently as it chalks up ever more amazing sales success. Yet there are a few reasons why what we are seeing now is the end of the boom.

  • Any bubble bursts just as it reaches its biggest size. And the Wii is now selling in massively unsustainable numbers. It just cannot go on.

   The old bubble bursting theory.  You sure are right, a bubble bursts when it reaches it's biggest size.  Keep on guessing as to when it will reach it's max size.  If you just keep saying it, one of these days you'll be right, Bruce.  And I'm sure you will celebrate how right you were, when it does finally happen.

Edit from previous post:   Ok, when I wrote this, I was thinking bubble bursting was more talking about when sales would decline.  Ya know, like a reasonable person would think would happen.  I wasn't thinking Bruce actually would think sales would drop to almost nothing once the bubble burst.

 

 



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