finalsquall if you're gonna comment about 'real' games, than maybe you should get away from that 'hardcore' crap you're being fed that's giving you such the attitude.

Real gaming in escence should be accepting that all games ARE real games if they capture a gamer and get him involved in the activity, DS and Wii games are as much 'real' as anything else that you've played as well.

*shakes head* You can't see past the Wii. Maybe you need Wii fit to wake yourself up! Why would they make kh 1, kh 2 for ps and not make kh 3 for the ps? You know how pissed fan will be. It's only the ppl who played KH on the ps2 and then went to the Wii- who are desperate for it to come to them. Like Ms fans that want MGS on the 360.

You want all the great ps2 games on the new consoles. Face it... KH will be ps3 and if your lucky go multiplat. Also, you think kh3 will be graphically downgraded to the wii? If you know square games, you know thy push the bench mark. They don't make crap games, they make masterpieces that push the boundaries.

And your wrong about Square supporting the highest seller. ff7 was on the ps1 in 97. Ps1 wasn't big til after that. And you know sony has shares in square enix?

http://www.square-enix.com/jp/ir/e/stock/stockholder/index.html

And you know Disney and Sony are partners in BR?

 Mate, I play all kinds of games.  From mini games to hardcore games.  I have my fave franchises such ff,mgs,rez evil, sh, ico, gow etc and I got Guitar Hero, eye toy, psp games, plus I play alot of old skool games. I also play Ultima Online and Guild Wars. Played WoW and FF11.  My gaming is less then it used to be but I still play when I get time. Like now I'm on my holidays so I have time to dribble.  See I was never a Nintendo lover (except for snes).  I prefered Sega.

But with the Wii, I wouldn;t waste my time on mini games. I Download psn games and now they sit there, except for Super star dust hd :). I need games that inspire or challenge.  I do want echochrome if that counts as a real game and LBP.  

 2. Big differance. They still pushed the ps2 gfx and made it look it's best.  This time the ps3 is 10x greater then the Wii. I doubt they fit it on one disc for the wii.  Just relax and see. you got FFCC so Square gives you that.  square is going to support all consoles equally this time around. Question?  Why do you want KH to come to the Wii?  Why so badly? 

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let's count .. Wii Sports , Wii Play , Wario Ware , Mario Party , Rayman .. hey I know 5 without even owning a Wii - Soriku you fail as a Wii supporter j/k

 Who said LBP is casual?  You doubt how hardcore this game will be. sad Little boy.  It's going to be big. Trust me. Casual by looks but the community behind it is going to be mind blowing.  You think cute = casual? Not always.

Oh no, not you too? Why the hell would Nintendo release a Wii2 if the Wii is still selling like gangbusters? Why the hell would the Wii seem outdated 2-3 years from now whenthe PS3 and Xbox360 will be exactly as powerful as today?

Hardware power has never determined the lifespan of a console. The only thing that determines the lifespan of a console is sales. The reason why the PS2 is lasting so long is simple. The install base of the PS2 is 120 million. Developers can create a X360 game that will reach 10 million people or a PS2 game that can reach 120 million. This is the only reason the PS2 lasted long, just like the PS1 before it, and the SNES before it, and the NES before it. The PS3 needs good sales FIRST, then when it gets the sales it will get the long lifespan.

Even if Nintendo decides in a moment of complete stupidity to release a Wii2 next year (that would be 2 years from the release of the Wii) the Wii will still have sales of 40 million + and it will still be the most viable platform (bar the DS) to release new games on. As long as there is an install base, developers will support it. Whether they "tire" of it or not.

The only thing that can stop this picture is the entire world suddenly deciding that the Wii is no good. This is the only life line that PS3 and Xbox fans have. But even if everyone in the world suddenly decide they want super-realistic graphics, games will still be made for the Wii and people will still buy them.

If Wii sales suddenly fall over in 2008, then I will look at the Wii doom and gloom scenarios and I will happily eat crow. Until then, the odds are firmly in Nintendo's favour. 

Anyone who says the Wii only sells to kids and the middle-aged has clearly not been to a tech school campus. I go to Worcester Polytechnic Institute. Nearly everyone either owns or wants a Wii.

@ Soriku )

Rayman Raving Rabbits is an adventure? All videos I watched of that look like a mini-game compilation.

 Ok! Last post. You played KH and KH2 right?  How big was the games?  How many FMV's were there?  See we r in next gen right!?  So with new technology there is bound to be more detail and information. Judging by the ending of kh2 final remix - that is sweet gfx.  Now if you seriously think that the game is not going to be gfxically amazing then yeah sure fit it on a Wii disc, but if you think it will use this new gen gfx (actually 2009 gfx), then just see how it will fit. Just because it fit last gen, doesn't mean it will fit this gen.

Face it, the PS3 is proving that you need  two things this gen!  1. Format Disc with high storage compacity i.e Blu ray and 2. HDD. Now has the Wii got that to offer. No didn't think so!  Chow lamer!