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misterd on 31 August 2007
leo-j said:
Im willing to bet that if the ps3 were at $299.99 right now it would be outselling the wii by 2 to 1 in world wide sales.

Maybe, but for that to happen it would have to be far less powerful than it is now, and lack the BR capabilities.



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WiteoutKing on 31 August 2007
leo-j said:
Im willing to bet that if the ps3 were at $299.99 right now it would be outselling the wii by 2 to 1 in world wide sales.

 The PS3 isn't at $299.99, and until it is, any claims about sales are pure speculation, nothing more.

 Why do PS3 fans insist that "If the PS3 was selling at [insert dollar amount], it would be wiping the floor with the Wii!"?  It's a completely baseless statement.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

Viper1 on 31 August 2007
WiteoutKing said:
leo-j said:
Im willing to bet that if the ps3 were at $299.99 right now it would be outselling the wii by 2 to 1 in world wide sales.

The PS3 isn't at $299.99, and until it is, any claims about sales are pure speculation, nothing more.

Why do PS3 fans insist that "If the PS3 was selling at [insert dollar amount], it would be wiping the floor with the Wii!"? It's a completely baseless statement.


 Why do they do that?   Reassurance.  It grants them some physchological projection of comfort in their financial decision.  Given that some haven't come to terms with this generations reality yet they feel the need to project suppositions to replace what reality has lacked for them.  



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tiachopvutru on 31 August 2007
Soriku said:
@leo-j

Casuals wouldn't flock to it, so your logic fails.

And there are no "ifs." There is only now, what's real, and reality says the PS3 is $600. And you can't just assume that it'd be outselling the Wii, you're making an ignorant, biased guess. Look, I can do that too:

If the Wii was $120 it'd be outselling the PS3 7:1 WW.

>_>

 Funny how you would say that. Look at the thread title



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robjoh on 31 August 2007
leo-j said:

Well we cant see if it will happen though.

Seriously amazing that something that costs 600dollars is outselling something that costs $350.00, with no games...with mediocore online..(for now)... the ps3 has some nice potential. Im changing my prediction!!!

Also.. On topic: IF it wins this gen it will be there first time, no i dont count the 1980s or 90s.


 Why wouldn't you count the 80:s and 90:s where Nintendo more or less saved the whole industry?



 

 

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andrewpeirce on 31 August 2007
kn said:
alpha_dk said:
kn said:

couchmonkey said:
A)I don't doubt an HD Wii is in the works,

B)As for the idea that Nintendo isn't competing with PS3 and 360 - that's exactly what Nintendo wants you to think - it makes it oh so much easier to take over the industry by stealth.

C)The fact is, PS3 sales are horrendous compared to PS2, and 360 sales are hardly better than the original Xbox. Meanwhile, Wii is picking up the slack at an amazing rate

A) You would have to be crazy to think that Nintendo R&D isn't already working on ideas for their next generation. When you have the kind of corporate profits you have now, you spend a lot on R&D because you can cover the costs. I assure you they are working on ideas for their next generation of video game systems and controllers.

B) Maybe so, but I stand by my argument that that they really aren't competing for the same gamer.

C) PS3 sales are horrendous for one reason: Price. This is where I belive my argument that they AREN'T competing holds water. Th $600 PS3 and the $250 Wii were not competing for the same set of gamers dollars. One was and is chasing nintendo faithful and casual gamers. The other is chasing the cutting edge gamer. Two completely different audiences. If the PS3 WAS competing with the Wii, they wouldn't have been priced at $600 and they certainly wouldn't have the level of hardware they do now. At 299, for instance, a PS3 could have had decent graphics hardware but no blueray and they probably would now be competing with the Wii...

 


A) I agree Nintendo is almost certainly doing R&D for the next console. That does *not* mean it is going to be released in the next 5 years even.

B) Whether or not they are competing for the same gamer, they are competing for the same gaming dollars. Every game that is released on the Wii is a game that is not released on the PS3/X360 (Okay, not really... but the vast majority). Most game sales come from casual gamers - you don't think that the hardcore gamers are the only people that bought GTA, do you? When a developer has a choice between a large casual audience and a smaller, higher-attach-ratio'd hardcore audience, at a certain point (not sure when it is) the large casual audience will win out. Especially because there will be *SOME* hardcore gamers among that casual audience.

IF a game that is predicted to sell well is released on the Wii instead of either the PS3 or the 360, that is basically money lost in the eyes of Microsoft and Sony. They don't see a cent from it, and the aid that it would have done to their loss-leading strategy doesn't arrive. The sales calculus will shift to the Wii at a point in the not-to-distant future -- if it hasn't already done so already.

C) I agree that one reason the PS3 is not succeeding right now is price. I do not believe this means that Sont is not competing with the Wii -- because like it or not, even in an expanded market there are only so many people that are going to buy consoles, and whether or not they want to compete with the Wii is immaterial because they *are* in competition for the same games and they *are* in competition for the same gaming dollars. If someone has both a PS3 and a Wii, statistically they will not increase the number of games they buy by that much. So where if they only had one system, say they would buy 10 games total (pulled out of my ass). If they have two systems, they may only buy 7 games per system -- total games went up, but one of the consoles lost 3 games worth of profit.

That is why no matter how you want to cut it, Sony and MS ARE in direct competition with the Wii. There are only so many entertainment dollars out there, and every time someone goes to a competitor it is a potential lost sale.

 

For example. the thread a few days ago where someone was asking if they should buy an X360 or tons of Wii/DS games. Either way that individual chooses, one of the companies is losing out on sales. That wouldn't happen if they were not in direct competition.



 Both companies can still suceed though. For example, I still plan to buy an xbox 360 (once the price is cut again) 

 



Viper1 on 09 September 2007

No one can say for sure they'll 'win' the succeeding generation but one thing will be clear, they will have far more 3rd party support from the start than Nintendo had with N64, GC and Wii and that will go a long way to allowing them to compete well.



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WiteoutKing on 09 September 2007
SORIKU.  DON'T BUMP TOPICS.  ESPECIALLY ones that are TWO WEEKS OLD.

PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

Game Over! on 27 October 2007
Soriku said:
Then wouldn't next-gen be the equivelant (sp?) of the PS1 then PS2. What I mean by this is the PS1 was Sony's "beginning" stage of domination, gathering most third-parties, but not to the max. Then came the PS2, devs knew PS1 owned and knew PS2 would too so they saved their "big guns" for it. Now my thoughts are: Wii = PS1 (ie. gathering T-Ps like crazy and getting GREAT games, but all that when they knew domination was beginning to the end) Now assuming Wii wins.., Wii 2 = PS2 (ie. T-Ps just flocked to it then easily won) Meaning when Wii 2 comes out it'll get FF, KH, Tales, Castlevania, SO, SC, etc. (just to name a few) And since next-gen the Wii 2 will enforce HD devs wouldn't have to worry about "power problems" That'd be great... Just a thought.

 You really should read my post in the "The Wii to be Nintendo's last Console?!?!"-topic. With a HD-ready (or maybe even full-HD) edition of Wii Nintendo would get a clear domination. Who would by an Xbox 720* or a PlayStation 4* when SNW* (see my post below to understand what this is) supports both great graphics (like all of those consoles does) and virtual controllers (which none other consoles does!!!) ?!?!

*My predications for the future titles for the next nex-gen consoles...

The Wii to be Nintendo's last Console?!?!

Game Over! said:



I think that they will at least do some kind of upgrade of Wii. Based on Nintendo's older consoles, it could be called SNW (Super Nintendo Wii), while Wii Light/Slim/Slim&Light/Advanced would just be ridiculous (and absolutely Wii Color)... Wii HD (a Wii version with HD-quality) would both be a good name and great idea!!! With better graphics to these great controllers would lead to the perfect console!


Rath on 27 October 2007

Game Over, stop bumping up old topics =\