110 million combined sales is way too high for the PS3/360. 95 million is more realistic.
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| kazuyamishima said: That market share only mean one thing: THE WII IS KICKING THE 360 AND PS3 LITTLE ASSES, that´s all that means |
i dont agree, nintendo is already doing so. it constantly outsales them on a daily basis.
wii having a 50 percent or more market share will send shockwaves through the entertainment industry simply because it shows that people are not ready or care to upgrade to high deffinition.
i own a high definition tv and a bluray player( in the shape of a ps3) but i could live with out them.
edit by "them" i mean the high def tv and blu ray aspect of the ps3( i love some of my games on the sytem)
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Paperdiego said:
i dont agree, nintendo is already doing so. it constantly outsales them on a daily basis. wii having a 50 percent or more market share will send shockwaves through the entertainment industry simply because it shows that people are not ready or care to upgrade to high deffinition. i own a high definition tv and a bluray player( in the shape of a ps3) but i could live with out them. edit by "them" i mean the high def tv and blu ray aspect of the ps3( i love some of my games on the sytem) |
People like HD, they just simply find what Nintendo is offering to be more compelling. The Wii is more fun to play with family and friends because everyone can play.
Even for a core gamer that means come Thanksgiving when the family is all over, the girlfriend/fiance can play, your parents can play, your brother/sister, etc.
PS3/360 ... not so much.
When Nintendo eventually does release a Wii 2/Wii HD/Super Wii, I will venture a guess and say it will sell a lot too.
Paperdiego said:
i dont agree, nintendo is already doing so. it constantly outsales them on a daily basis. wii having a 50 percent or more market share will send shockwaves through the entertainment industry simply because it shows that people are not ready or care to upgrade to high deffinition. i own a high definition tv and a bluray player( in the shape of a ps3) but i could live with out them. edit by "them" i mean the high def tv and blu ray aspect of the ps3( i love some of my games on the sytem) |
People like HD, they just simply find what Nintendo is offering to be more compelling. The Wii is more fun to play with family and friends because everyone can play.
Even for a core gamer that means come Thanksgiving when the family is all over, the girlfriend/fiance can play, your parents can play, your brother/sister, etc.
PS3/360 ... not so much.
When Nintendo eventually does release a Wii 2/Wii HD/Super Wii, I will venture a guess and say it will sell a lot too.
Some of you are overlooking the fact that market share has a cascading effect. Yes the PS2 had an impressive market share, but it didn't start out that way, it was the gradual (at first) increase in its perception as "the" console to own that made it the standard. The more it sold the more this image was bolstered and the more the image was bolstered the more it sold, voila feedback loop. This is how consoles dominate a generation in a nutshell.
For comparisons sake here are the two generations at 113 weeks in (for most consoles anyways), please keep in mind that while this is not a valid indicator of performance but it can still provide some insight into what the marketshare situation was like previously for context and thus what it could/should look like now. Anyways, here we go:
| 113 Weeks | Wii Gen | PS2 Gen |
| Nintindo | 43.8M (55%)** | 10.0M (18%) |
| Sony | 18.8M (24%) | 31.0M (57%)* |
| MS | 16.1M (21%) | 13.3M (25%) |
| Total | 78.7M | 54.3M |
| * - PS2 was given 130 weeks (~4 months more than the other consoles) due its very early JP launch, this gives it a massive advantage for the purpose of this comparison but I'm erring in its favor to illustrate the point very very clearly. ** - Note that the Wii only has 109 weeks of sales (~1 month fewer than the other consoles), again giving advantage to every other console (especially the PS2) compared to it here. |
First of all, we can see that the Wii with 55% Market Share compared to the PS2's 57% market share is close enough that there is still a definite possibility (far from a certainty) that it could meet or exceed the PS2's market share.
Second, the PS2 by this point in its life had already enjoyed the benefits of hardware revisions, the introduction of several alternate colors, but most importantly it had recieved a 33% ($100) price cut to get it to this market share. You have to understand that all of these things are weapons and tools in the arsenal of a console company to revitalize demand for a console and to drum up meaningful long term sales (particularly price drops). All of this allows a console in the lead to continue to build it's image as "the" console and the Wii has managed to build that image without that aid at all so far.
With the Wii having lacked a reason to even open this bag of tricks a single time and its market share is only 2% behind despite the ridiculously unfair comparison (pitting 109 Wii weeks VS 130 PS2 weeks) it should seem to be not only possible but fairly optimistic for the Wii attain a PS2 like market share. Again, it is by no means a lock given the numerous factors which interject a great deal of uncretainty, but like statistical noise that uncertainty tends to amount to very little in the majority of cases with both positive and negative movements canceling each other out. So until those uncertainties become certainties I'd have to say I like the Wii's chances to reach a soaring market share similar to the PS2's.
Interesting post Sqrl. This fact was alluded to the other day by Crazzyman who highlighted that the PS2 has sold about 35 million units since the Xbox and GC effectively stopped selling, increasing last gen market share from about 64% to ~ 72%.
It is worth noting though that this picture does paint Nintendo's fortunes in the most positive light given the headstart and continuing strong sales of the 360 and hence lower real world market share that the Wii currently holds.
I wonder when we will be seeing a Wii in lime green, since there is little incentive for Nintendo to even add colour revisions.
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| hsrob said: Interesting post Sqrl. This fact was alluded to the other day by Crazzyman who highlighted that the PS2 has sold about 35 million units since the Xbox and GC effectively stopped selling, increasing last gen market share from about 64% to ~ 72%. It is worth noting though that this picture does paint Nintendo's fortunes in the most positive light given the headstart and continuing strong sales of the 360 and hence lower real world market share that the Wii currently holds. |
Absolutely true, that's what I was trying to convey with the bit about not using this as a barometer of performance. The perception of which console is "the" console cannot be fully expressed in terms of aligned launches because it is the here and now that makes the difference, the "reality of reality" if you will. At the same time though you would like to get a comparable length of time for a comparison between two generations. Since I was trying to do both I had to find some middle ground, hence the severe disadvantage I put the Wii at while using an aligned launch.
Hopefully that makes some amount of sense.