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^Not really.

But still, games on the Wii tend to be the most critic immune this gen. A lot of games denounced as flops by "hardcore gamers" tend to sell large numbers over long periods of time.

It suggests that professional reviewers are completely out of touch with the general public when it comes to Wii games.



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Predictions:Sales of Wii Fit will surpass the combined sales of the Grand Theft Auto franchiseLifetime sales of Wii will surpass the combined sales of the entire Playstation family of consoles by 12/31/2015 Wii hardware sales will surpass the total hardware sales of the PS2 by 12/31/2010 Wii will have 50% marketshare or more by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  It was a little over 48% only)Wii will surpass 45 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2008 (I was wrong!!  Nintendo Financials showed it fell slightly short of 45 million shipped by end of 2008)Wii will surpass 80 Million in lifetime sales by the end of 2009 (I was wrong!! Wii didn't even get to 70 Million)

As soon as I saw Gamerankings your thread failed to me. I am not interested in someone trying to make a point by showing a group of other people's opinions. Video game reviewers tend to side with the HD systems. Why are these the systems that they prefer? I don't know. It would be like me trying to present an argument that Ronald Reagan is quite possibly the greatest president of all time by showing you what was written in a bunch of right wing publications.



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I think another reason is that Ninty is releasing the best in a somewhat alien "genres" that really don't click with reviewers. So they obviously won't get reviewed as well. But they've also had some games that were below average than usual. Could be more focus on expansion and money rather than quality or just a few off years. Or reviewers being harsher on them for reasons. Or the most likely reason a combination of all of those.



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Quality is subjective to the user.. for me personally barbie games might as well be garbage i wont pick up even if i saw a new copy lying on the side walk.. but for my little girls well..thats a different story..



llewdebkram said:
How about starting a family gaming site that has a rating system for games that ar reviewed by parents and children, then I wonder which games would be over 90% and which below?

Having a rating of 90% or above doesn't mean it's universally seen as a great game, it just means it's seen as a great game by a VERY few and select handful on a few gaming sites.

 

I thought about what you just said quite a while ago and i absolutely agree.. traditional gaming journalists

are not adequate to review expanded audiance games.. get them reviewed by people who enjoy them for

people who buy them..



RSEagle said:
Thank you for the feedback. Now I offer my rebuttal.

First of all, sales data, is a quantative statistic that does not necessarily reflect a game's quality. For instance, I'm sure Carnival Games and Barbie Pony Rider DS sold a million copies but does that mean they are considered great games?

Of course not, but by taking into account an aggregate of reviewer scores, which is a qualative statistic that is designed to reflect the quality of a game rather than a mere sales figure, I believe we can come closer to approximating a game's quality.

Don't get me wrong, the reviewing system is far from perfect. I think Grand Theft Auto 4 is overrated as well as other games. I just think that using an average of all major reviewers is the closest we can get to the general consensus on the actual quality of a game.

 

 The bolded is what I will comment on,

 

Those point are invalid because the so called aggregate review scores are done by one TYPE of demographic, usually the hardcore gamer as they call it.

I bet if you got carnival games and pony rider reviewed by casual gamers, children and girls only, those games would suddenly all be averaging above 9.

I agree that those games are crap FOR ME, but you cannot say they are crap unless these games were specifically aimed at your tastes, which obviously were not.

This is why I feel alot of Wii gmaes will have a lower average, because the majority of them are aimed at a wider audience not a small hardcore online gfx whore gamer. With that mentallity when reviewing the game it will always get below average score when being reviewed.



 

 

i agree with the op, but remember that nintendo is making more money right now, why would they care to make more games?



The most innovative art is ugly when its first created as people aren't use to it, whether that means being forgotten by the masses (okami, psychonaughts, anachronox et al) or by critics (wii sports). Only after the dust settles can people look more objectively at how successful the art was technically, stylistically and from an number of perspectives. And how influential said art is. I mean Citizen Kane itself wasn't universally loved when it came out! and that movie is one of the most influential american films ever created.

The current system may be flawed and many of the reviewers juvenile (especially in comparison to academic critical thought in art and films for example) but they function as a guide, nothing more. Take from them what you will.

In regards to Nintendo, while I personally do think their quality has dropped a little over the past few years my personal opinion really isn't that important as I know what they're targeting and trying to achieve and my personal tastes are left by the wayside by them most of the time because of this. However that doesn't mean the games they're making are bad, they're succeeding perfectly well with the demographics they're targeting.