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I think this will be like Beta was to VHS tapes...it's better than Blu-Ray, but Blu-Ray is beginning to become too widely adopted and Sony has it's hands in more than half of the global motion picture industry.

Then again, it was Sony who failed Beta..so we shall see.



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magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
it wont be standardized... Blu-ray can actually handle 1440p with 50GBs. Resolutions of 1920p wont even be needed for another 8 years for the standard TV to evolve to handle it. You would still need an OLED TV or a 100+" HDTV to take advantage of the resolution.

Care to show me which BR spec profile contains testing and support of 1440p?

 

 

All specs.... the difference between 1080p and 1440p video isnt codex its space...

 

So all the current SOC's used in different players have been spec'd to 1440p decoding?

 

I think your not understanding the fact that the decoding for 1440p is the same process as 2160p, 1080p, 720p, and 480p. As long as the 1440p video is running a supported codex then it can be decoded to be 1440p or whatever resolution the video is.



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ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
it wont be standardized... Blu-ray can actually handle 1440p with 50GBs. Resolutions of 1920p wont even be needed for another 8 years for the standard TV to evolve to handle it. You would still need an OLED TV or a 100+" HDTV to take advantage of the resolution.

Care to show me which BR spec profile contains testing and support of 1440p?

 

 

All specs.... the difference between 1080p and 1440p video isnt codex its space...

 

So all the current SOC's used in different players have been spec'd to 1440p decoding?

 

I think your not understanding the fact that the decoding for 1440p is the same process as 2160p, 1080p, 720p, and 480p. As long as the 1440p video is running a supported codex then it can be decoded to be 1440p or whatever resolution the video is.

I dont think you understand that most of these players use hardware decoder chips designed to work with the current bluray spec. Some players may be able to work with higher resolution video, but its certainly a very small number of models. 

 



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

Steroid said:
Lol just forget it kiddies. If you're looking to "skip" the bluray format see you in 2025.

Ok. I'm enjoying hulu and netflix now. And bittorrent.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

If this was two years ago it would have a chance but BluRay already has its foot in the door and there's just not enough room for yet another format.



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sieanr said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
it wont be standardized... Blu-ray can actually handle 1440p with 50GBs. Resolutions of 1920p wont even be needed for another 8 years for the standard TV to evolve to handle it. You would still need an OLED TV or a 100+" HDTV to take advantage of the resolution.

Care to show me which BR spec profile contains testing and support of 1440p?

 

 

All specs.... the difference between 1080p and 1440p video isnt codex its space...

 

So all the current SOC's used in different players have been spec'd to 1440p decoding?

 

I think your not understanding the fact that the decoding for 1440p is the same process as 2160p, 1080p, 720p, and 480p. As long as the 1440p video is running a supported codex then it can be decoded to be 1440p or whatever resolution the video is.

I dont think you understand that most of these players use hardware decoder chips designed to work with the current bluray spec. Some players may be able to work with higher resolution video, but its certainly a very small number of models. 

 

 

do you really understand how decoding works? its about software not hardware. Look at it through the eyes of a GPU on a desktop. A desktop can scale a video to whatever size the resolution is set to. It decoded the video format and spits out the end video. If it is a format the GPU doesnt know the system cant decode it meaning you either need a new codex and have your CPU do the decoding or just download a file that supports the GPU.

Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. They just have to match Intel's integrated GPUs is strength and they can decode video of any size because they do not have to emulate a thousand zombies in real time like GPUs do for L4D or massive lively landscapes in Crysis.



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ssj12 said:
sieanr said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
it wont be standardized... Blu-ray can actually handle 1440p with 50GBs. Resolutions of 1920p wont even be needed for another 8 years for the standard TV to evolve to handle it. You would still need an OLED TV or a 100+" HDTV to take advantage of the resolution.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-01-2007/0004673222&EDATE=Care to show me which BR spec profile contains testing and support of 1440p?

 

 

All specs.... the difference between 1080p and 1440p video isnt codex its space...

 

So all the current SOC's used in different players have been spec'd to 1440p decoding?

 

I think your not understanding the fact that the decoding for 1440p is the same process as 2160p, 1080p, 720p, and 480p. As long as the 1440p video is running a supported codex then it can be decoded to be 1440p or whatever resolution the video is.

I dont think you understand that most of these players use hardware decoder chips designed to work with the current bluray spec. Some players may be able to work with higher resolution video, but its certainly a very small number of models. 

 

 

do you really understand how decoding works? its about software not hardware. Look at it through the eyes of a GPU on a desktop. A desktop can scale a video to whatever size the resolution is set to. It decoded the video format and spits out the end video. If it is a format the GPU doesnt know the system cant decode it meaning you either need a new codex and have your CPU do the decoding or just download a file that supports the GPU.

Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. They just have to match Intel's integrated GPUs is strength and they can decode video of any size because they do not have to emulate a thousand zombies in real time like GPUs do for L4D or massive lively landscapes in Crysis.

Hahaha, seriously?

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-01-2007/0004673222&EDATE=

Quit acting like you know what your talking about. Hell, your original assumption that current bluray players can decode highher resolution video is something common sense should of stopped you from posting.



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

sieanr said:
ssj12 said:
sieanr said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
it wont be standardized... Blu-ray can actually handle 1440p with 50GBs. Resolutions of 1920p wont even be needed for another 8 years for the standard TV to evolve to handle it. You would still need an OLED TV or a 100+" HDTV to take advantage of the resolution.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-01-2007/0004673222&EDATE=Care to show me which BR spec profile contains testing and support of 1440p?

 

 

All specs.... the difference between 1080p and 1440p video isnt codex its space...

 

So all the current SOC's used in different players have been spec'd to 1440p decoding?

 

I think your not understanding the fact that the decoding for 1440p is the same process as 2160p, 1080p, 720p, and 480p. As long as the 1440p video is running a supported codex then it can be decoded to be 1440p or whatever resolution the video is.

I dont think you understand that most of these players use hardware decoder chips designed to work with the current bluray spec. Some players may be able to work with higher resolution video, but its certainly a very small number of models. 

 

 

do you really understand how decoding works? its about software not hardware. Look at it through the eyes of a GPU on a desktop. A desktop can scale a video to whatever size the resolution is set to. It decoded the video format and spits out the end video. If it is a format the GPU doesnt know the system cant decode it meaning you either need a new codex and have your CPU do the decoding or just download a file that supports the GPU.

Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. They just have to match Intel's integrated GPUs is strength and they can decode video of any size because they do not have to emulate a thousand zombies in real time like GPUs do for L4D or massive lively landscapes in Crysis.

Hahaha, seriously?

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-01-2007/0004673222&EDATE=

Quit acting like you know what your talking about. Hell, your original assumption that current bluray players can decode highher resolution video is something common sense should of stopped you from posting.

 

while yes i will facepalm myself on the scaling comment I will stand by the fact that with good decoders comes higher resolutions. The players are basically ready. They can play the multi-layer discs, HDMI 1.3 supports 1440p, and all the base codexs are set.

All thats needed is a decoder as strong as an Intel Int. GPU... nothing more...

As for your link, those decoders are used in the lower end models. Magnavox brand and crap. I believe Sony, Samsung, and a few others make their own decoders.



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ssj12 said:
sieanr said:
ssj12 said:
sieanr said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
magik10 said:
ssj12 said:
it wont be standardized... Blu-ray can actually handle 1440p with 50GBs. Resolutions of 1920p wont even be needed for another 8 years for the standard TV to evolve to handle it. You would still need an OLED TV or a 100+" HDTV to take advantage of the resolution.

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-01-2007/0004673222&EDATE=Care to show me which BR spec profile contains testing and support of 1440p?

 

 

All specs.... the difference between 1080p and 1440p video isnt codex its space...

 

So all the current SOC's used in different players have been spec'd to 1440p decoding?

 

I think your not understanding the fact that the decoding for 1440p is the same process as 2160p, 1080p, 720p, and 480p. As long as the 1440p video is running a supported codex then it can be decoded to be 1440p or whatever resolution the video is.

I dont think you understand that most of these players use hardware decoder chips designed to work with the current bluray spec. Some players may be able to work with higher resolution video, but its certainly a very small number of models. 

 

 

do you really understand how decoding works? its about software not hardware. Look at it through the eyes of a GPU on a desktop. A desktop can scale a video to whatever size the resolution is set to. It decoded the video format and spits out the end video. If it is a format the GPU doesnt know the system cant decode it meaning you either need a new codex and have your CPU do the decoding or just download a file that supports the GPU.

Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. They just have to match Intel's integrated GPUs is strength and they can decode video of any size because they do not have to emulate a thousand zombies in real time like GPUs do for L4D or massive lively landscapes in Crysis.

Hahaha, seriously?

http://www.prnewswire.com/cgi-bin/stories.pl?ACCT=104&STORY=/www/story/10-01-2007/0004673222&EDATE=

Quit acting like you know what your talking about. Hell, your original assumption that current bluray players can decode highher resolution video is something common sense should of stopped you from posting.

 

while yes i will facepalm myself on the scaling comment I will stand by the fact that with good decoders comes higher resolutions. The players are basically ready. They can play the multi-layer discs, HDMI 1.3 supports 1440p, and all the base codexs are set.

All thats needed is a decoder as strong as an Intel Int. GPU... nothing more...

As for your link, those decoders are used in the lower end models. Magnavox brand and crap. I believe Sony, Samsung, and a few others make their own decoders.

Yes they make or purchase other decoders, but they're virtually the same - that is to say integrated decoders are in no way similar to GPUs. I don't know whats so hard to understand about that.

Now for the common sense part. If the current bluray spec is for 1080p, then why would any company spend money for a decoder thats powerful enough for post-1080p resolutions?

 



Leo-j said: If a dvd for a pc game holds what? Crysis at 3000p or something, why in the world cant a blu-ray disc do the same?

ssj12 said: Player specific decoders are nothing more than specialized GPUs. Gran Turismo is the trust driving simulator of them all. 

"Why do they call it the xbox 360? Because when you see it, you'll turn 360 degrees and walk away" 

sienar,

He doesn't understand how SOC's are derived from spec or any of the economies of scale issues associated. The funny part is, he believe SOC's to be over engineered and expandable. Now I'm wondering if he had to google what SOC's are :(

I'd post in more detail but he seems hell bent of being "right" so why waste the keystrokes?