lol

I was going to say "QFT"

then, reaching the end of your post, I saw you listed FFVII as well without saying WHY it was a bad game ...

@libellule:

Including the reasons why FFVII was a bad game would have made the OP twice as long...

Here. I'll repost this portion since it's now being argued.

Oh just to comment on the gibberish in the OP(), I do think the series has lost a bit of it's luster because of it's overuse. There used to be a time when a spinoff or remake was rare and you were actually holding your breath for something with the name Final Fantasy on it. Nowadays, there are five times as many games outside of the main canon than within it. Usually, in the case of something like Mario it's easy to get away with it because Mario is a character. Final Fantasy is just one world of different characters after another, so it's a question on why this one if a real FF and not another one.

To help explain, Mario is originally a platformer. All main canon Marios are platformers and all spinoffs are representations of his world in different genres(sports, fighting, RPGs, racing, etc.). FF is almost always an RPG, spinoff or not. Why was FF Tactics a spinoff and not called Final Fantasy VIII? Is it because of the vastly warped fighting style? Tell that to FF XI and FF XII.

I would like the thread started to state how I to VI are any better. Hell, the first five was all about four warriors and some crystals and a badass guy who wanted to use (destroy?) those crystals.

a spin off it's a spin off in any language.

 not matter if a platformer or RPG.

battle system story and characters are not the same, even if spin off the story progresss, battle system is different (FFX-2),

and the characters evolve and mature.

all that apply to kart, zelda, brawl and mario too dead seriously only megaman its more milked than mario?

they are making their money good games? who cares?

You seem to be missing the point.  Why are some FF games part of the "numbered" series, when they so greatly deviate from all the games in that series that have come before?  What makes them deserving of this "numbered" status?  Is the assignment thereof not arbitrary?  As for Mario, those games stopped having a consecutive number system at SMB3, which was twenty years ago.

I, uh, agree about FFXII being good and all, but...

why would you recommend Ice & Fire to anybody? :)

God, I love the way it started, and it has some genuinely cool moments and characters... but the whole series has degenerated into a plodding travelogue (mainly Brienne's pointless wandering about the countryside), and I'd lay even money on Martin heart giving out before Daenerys comes home.

I've invested so many hundreds of pages that I'll feel compelled to read the next eleven volumes should they ever come out, but I couldn't recommend A Feast for Crows, say, to anyone new in good conscience.

Actually there is a vast difference in sales. Many of Mario's spinoff series have become their own iconic series, and sales do reflect that. Mario Kart has actually surpassed the Mario platformer in popularity on the Wii. Now check out the spinoffs of Final Fantasy. None of them have had anything close to the sales of a numbered entry. Why is that? It's because they are diluting the name of Final Fantasy, not strengthening it.

Every Mario spinoff has a purpose. There are no platformer spinoffs. If it's a platformer, it is a main canon game, end of story. If it is a different genre, it is to expand the Mario universe into different territory, thus gaining new fans. Each has it's own mass appeal, and each spinoff is among the top of the pile in terms of both quality and sales.

Final Fantasy games are an entirely different beast. Each main canon numbered game plays considerably different and encompasses a different world from it's predecesors and succesors. Almost the same can be said for every spinoff. They too usually have their own worlds and own gameplay styles. The funny thing is, most of these spinoffs are still RPGs, so I ask if they are, why aren't they a numbered Final Fantasy?

Is it a quality issue? If that's the case then my point is proven that FF spinoffs are diluting the name of Final Fantasy, not enhancing it.

Is it a gameplay issue? Hardly. Numbered Final Fantasies have had traditional turn-based, active time turn-based, action MMO combat, strategic MMO-like combat with auto pilot attached and plenty of in-betweens. However a game like Final Fantasy Tactics also offered a new battle system, world, etc. and was developed by a fantastic team and yet was not a numbered Final Fantasy. Why is that? Why has that same series now had it's own spinoff series in Final Fantasy Tactics Advance?

Your rants were funny at first, but now you're coming off as one of those people that likes to hate everyone and everything to compensate for their own low self esteem...

I say let him! Leave Twesterm alone!!! He has to deal with us alllll year! Sure you get fed up with all the fanboys, trolls, whiners etc.. so let him have his rants at the end of the year... :)