I think it is well established that as a platform the Wii has serious strengths, and has serious weaknesses. There is little if any middle ground as far as developers are concerned, and honestly they are probably right. The Wii as a console is too polar. Games must fit within a narrow band to be successful, and they must also compete against Nintendo which will consume the most market share due to its name recognition. Huge install base or not its very easy to fuck up making a Wii game. Unless you play low ball margins.

That is not to say there is no market for traditional games on the Wii, or even hardcore games for that matter. However that market is very diminutive, and doesn't even approach the market on the high definition consoles. So it can only support so many titles annually. I am not trying to be an asshole its just the truth. Developers have delivered hardcore titles to the console, and those developers for the most part got their nuts busted.

I know its unpopular, but if your fine with casual games, and big on Nintendo first party games. You probably shouldn't care too terribly much. Developers aren't being unfair to the Wii. The console just wasn't built with them in mind, or their dedicated demographic for that matter. So there is little there for them to sell to, even less when Nintendo dominates within its own platform as always. Why go with famine. When you can go to feast.

Its a good question, and its sort of inevitable. In general, there are more 360 (3rd-party) exclusives than PS3 exclusives.

I think MS has more money to splash around - and it won't take more to "buy" exclusivity - for a while at least.

Also, since the 360 has more market share - and a greater % of the sales anyway- it could be a case of "release on the 360", then "consider a PS3 release" down the track.

It also depends on the online functionality - or whether the game does much that is easy to do on the 360 - yet hard on the PS3. As much as ports are always possible - its possible to design a 360 that is *hard* to port to the PS3 (memory architecture is one possible reason).

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Its really a case by case question - if the company has an "excellent" PS3/360 multi-platform engine - then its much less likely. If they have an excellent 360 engine, and little/no PS3 tech - and its a game that would appeal to the 360 fan base - then its much more likely.

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I guess it comes down to publishers in the end, and whether they want to spend the extra money for a x-platform release.

shams said: Also, since the 360 has more market share - and a greater % of the sales anyway- it could be a case of "release on the 360", then "consider a PS3 release" down the track.

 

I think Bioshock's disappointing PS3 performance killed this idea.

@shams

You make a great point about the financial situation. As time goes on it will become even cheaper for Microsoft to buy exclusives. In fact they have a buyers market on their hands. Right now the prices at least should not increase for them. The only thing that has fundamentally changed is a weakening economy which should make developers more interested in selling exclusivity if nothing else to get to cash sooner.

I find it highly entertaining how last year it was Microsoft buying exclusives. Then this year it was about the price of the hardware. So everyone is fixated on hardware prices. Almost forgetting Microsoft's penchant for purchasing exclusives. Which is why next year many members of this community will be blindsided again. Microsoft is going to return to their strategy of the first year. Winning the software war through third party exclusivity. They are not going to continue cutting the price of their hardware. They are going to take advantage of the pricing fixation. They are going to binge.

Sony will not be able to afford to do both. Match Microsoft on the pricing front, and entertain a bidding war on the other. That means Microsoft can snatch up very lucrative properties, and snatch up a great many. Enough to feed their console for two or even three years. Best of all for Microsoft it will be relatively cheap. With Sony out of the picture, and a faltering economy. Microsoft is going to find plenty of takers.

I am going with what the delopers goals are and why they make a game like valve and epic both made games for both systems and also made exclusive content for 360.

Its where the moneys is and if some one pays for exclusive rights for a delayed release also.

the ps2 had lots of exclusives and then a delayed release on other platforms. now we see the pc 360 releases then a delayed ps3 release. take bioshock and oblivion for example. still fallout3 released at the same time.

why did cod waw release late on the wii??? the most popular platform???

is it even the same game with dumbed down graphics??? or a different engine?

You see MS and Sony would pay for exclusive rights to a release of a major title Nintendo had to pay to get RE4 and RE licencse on the GC. that was a delayed release to the PS2.

RE5 on wii will that ever happen??? I dont think so.

of course games developed on a PS2 could be ported to a xbox or gc this gen you have 2 similar machines that can play the same games and one that cant.

so 360 market share increases over the PS3 were talking hd gaming t could increase with exclusive material and games alla gta4 extra content paid for by MS.

Yes this is possible currently it is the console with the highest attach rate , easiest to program, highest HD install base and cheapest as well so this will eventually outweight the cost for multiplatforms and games will be 360/PC exclusive

The 360 will never see that kind of exclusive support. It simply doesn't have the install base, market share, or sales strength outside of the holiday season. When you add in rising development costs, this scenario becomes even more unlikely.

Another thing that's not being considered is the fact that the Wii is still annihilating the 360 and PS3 collectively even more so than it was before. For some reason, people still believe that the outcome of the "war" between the PS3 and 360 is at all meaningful, when in reality, it's not even worth fighting. Even with the 360's strong showing this holiday season, it's still being outsold 2-1 by the Wii, the combined sales of the 360 and PS3 are less than that of the Wii, and it will be a matter of weeks before the Wii has an install base that's larger than that of the the 360 and PS3 combined.

Let's go back to those development costs and combine that factor with the above. The big budget titles that are necessary to appeal to the demographics that largely compose the PS3 and 360 userbases(core and hardcore gamers) aren't getting any less expensive to make. This is why we've seen so many mergers, acquisitions, and closings as of late. The 360's userbase isn't large enough to maintain consistent profits through exclusivity, so developers have no choice but to keep developing multi-platform HD titles. As development costs conintue to rise and the Wii install base increases, we'll probably see developers shift resources away from these expensive titles and towards budget titles on the Wii in order to make the most profits.

Microsoft's moneyhatting won't make any difference either, as you don't capture exclusive support by paying for it, you do it by having the largest install base.

mrstickball said: RPG said: Shadowblind said: scottie said: I'm going to ignore names of consoles and summarise your question to "Will a console that is losing market share yet can sell more 3rd party software then the PS3, and a LOT more then the Wii, see increased third party support as a result?" My answer? no Fix'd. Surprise surprise, market share isn't even close to everything. OT: Well, no actually. Many(Or is it just Capcom?) companies have stated they are going to be doing most things multiplat from now on...but for my part, I REALLLLLY hope for some PS3 exclusives. I'm having buyer's remorse right now and I've only owned one for 1 week. PLEASE make KH3, Condemned 3, BoF5(Dragons quarter sucked) and whatever Tales game is after the Wii version PS3 exclusives>_<   GOW 3, GT5, Versus, KZ2 not good enough reasons? >_< Only one of those said games is made by an independant studio. Kinda hurts your argument no?

 

How so, the games are exclusive to PS3 which is the point I am making. Honestly, your by far the worst mod I have seen on a gaming forum, bias is a complete understatement with fanboy being a much better word to describe you. *shakes head*

RPG said: mrstickball said: RPG said: Shadowblind said: scottie said: I'm going to ignore names of consoles and summarise your question to "Will a console that is losing market share yet can sell more 3rd party software then the PS3, and a LOT more then the Wii, see increased third party support as a result?" My answer? no Fix'd. Surprise surprise, market share isn't even close to everything. OT: Well, no actually. Many(Or is it just Capcom?) companies have stated they are going to be doing most things multiplat from now on...but for my part, I REALLLLLY hope for some PS3 exclusives. I'm having buyer's remorse right now and I've only owned one for 1 week. PLEASE make KH3, Condemned 3, BoF5(Dragons quarter sucked) and whatever Tales game is after the Wii version PS3 exclusives>_<   GOW 3, GT5, Versus, KZ2 not good enough reasons? >_< Only one of those said games is made by an independant studio. Kinda hurts your argument no?   How so, the games are exclusive to PS3 which is the point I am making. Honestly, your by far the worst mod I have seen on a gaming forum, bias is a complete understatement with fanboy being a much better word to describe you. *shakes head*

Actually, I was really speaking mainly of 3rd party games because:

 GT5: Hate racing games with a passion. Or racing simulators, whatever.

 KZ2: Killzone 1 was the biggest clusterfuck of a game I have ever hyped to beyond believe prior to its release. I'm not making the same mistake with this thing.

FFXIIIVersus: I believe XIII will be better, but I definately am looking forward to this. Theres also that faint chance it'll be 360ized as well >_<

GoW3: I bought a PS3 for this.

Problem is, no one buys a system for 2 games, man. At first I bought it for Resis 1 and 2 before I demoed 1 out(Not a nine. Not even a 6. Not sure about Resis 2 though.) and Sigma, which I've already played and beaten. I bought it for WKC, but Famitsu and American previews have me...concerned. Add to that it was the most expensive console purchase I've ever made, and I want my money's worth. The system is fantastic, great system, fine blu-ray.

But I bought it for the games. And what I've demoed has me....dissapointed. So, I want more 3rd party games to justify my purchase, specifically the ones I've mentioned (especially Condemned 3).

As for the mod thing, trust me; stickball is MUCH better then a quite a few biased(saying the least) mods here.