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Lost tears of Kain on 11 August 2007
libellule said:
PS3 beating Xbox360 WW ??

I think price drop + GT5 = in July 2008 PS3 will be 2nd.

Since begining 2007 Xbox360 sales are pretty close to PS3 sales.
It means that PS3, without game and with a higer price 600$ is EGUAL to Xbox360.

Well, people will just wait for price drop, GTA4 / Killzone2 (gear of war effect) / MGS4 = GG.

The same could be said of the xbox now, just had a price drop, and is having a huge ammount of good games coming out. So if it boosts ps3 sells by that much, wont it do the same to the 360?

 That and the math is so unlikely i still see ps3 taking over in 2009 if it takes over and it has to do very well in 2008 for this to happen (cant have games like ff pushed back any more etc)



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Kayanator on 12 August 2007

Yes, duh. Xbox is dead in Japan and Europe and is doing only decent in NA. It doesn't take much to pass the system in the longterm.



dallas on 12 August 2007
rocketpig said:
mitsuhide said:
I think when HDDVD is "defeated" and only Bluray is the HD disc then i think consumer confusion will leave and more people will buy into Bluray.

If and when that happens, HD players will be $100 or less and the PS3 will still be $200 or more, making the PS3's Blu-Ray capabilities irrelevent to most consumers.

The PS3 may have given Blu-Ray a shot in the arm but by the time Blu-Ray is mass market in the eyes of consumers, they'll be looking at the much cheaper stand-alone players and not the PS3. 


The BD features will be more important, but only when the price of the BD players is around $200, and the BD discs $19-20.  Right now, the BD discs are a little too expensive to really mean a whole lot for consumers, but as with all things, greater numbers of adoption will bring the price down down down.



Bonafide732 on 12 August 2007
mitsuhide said:
friedtofu said:
mitsuhide said:
misterd said:
Bonafide732 said:
ps3 doesnt stand a chance to pass the 360 this year.. maybe a year from now.. since GTA will sell more ps3's next year instead of 360's

Please justify this statement. The 360 is offering exclusives context for GTA4, and the console will still cost substantially less. Why would a GTAfan choose the PS3?


GTAIV will sell more PS3 because if they walk into a store and see MGS4 and GTAIV on the shelf for PS3 and GTAIV for X360 they will see 2 MASSIVE franshises on the PS3 and 1 on the X360 so this might sway them to which version they will get.I am not putting Halo3 there because if they wanted a X360 and that game because its been hyped to the extreme they will get one THIS year not NEXT.

 

I do not understand this logic.

 


 2 AAA titles win over 1 AAA title both releasing in the same time period.


i just believe that GTAIV will sell more Ps3's than 360's.. will it be a significant amount more?? probably not.. i just think of it in terms of being a casual GTA Fan who doesnt spend all of his or her time on the internet finding every little info on GTA.. some people think the Ps3 version is the version to get still because thats where the series started... and thats simply what they are used to.. other people think the ps3 version is the version to get because potentially 2 or 3 other AAA titles are coming out pretty close to  it in terms of release date.. that are as of right now are Ps3 exclusive.. so thats my logic behind this....

 

Me being more of a hardcore GTA fan.. i know the 360 version has more content i hear of the rumoured ps3 developing problems.. so maybe all those things will swade me to get the 360 version..  but you all have to remember alot of people dont spend any time at all surfing the web to hear any of this stuff.. all some people know is GTA for PS3 and thats it..... maybe the ps3 version will sell more ps3's maybe it wont but its definitely something to think about for new console buyers..



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dallas on 12 August 2007

I think that the PS3 has a great chance in beating the 360. Right now, the 360 is like a giant army that can't really afford to wage war, b/c of the cash being bled out by the RROD problem.

The PS3 has a lot going for it:
1. Home
2.BD factor, which will mean a lot more once BD disks are more popular, which admittedly might take another year.
3. VOD - The PS3 will make a bundle with this, much more than microsoft has done anyway b/c Sony is a movie company as well, and they won't have to pay other movie companies for the right to sell. It is going to be all gravy for them.
4. Greater numbers of exclusives moving to sony. I have noticed a trend of sony getting more exclusives lately than it has been 5-6 months ago.
5. Production costs- All else equal, a PC or similar peice of electronics that has newer, and more expensive components will have greater reductions of production costs as a % of original manufacturing price, than a similar PC that has more basic components. So, its BD diode, the Cell, will all get cheaper quicker than the 360's stuff. And yes, I do realize that the 360 was cheaper to begin with, but that doesn't matter in the long run. What matters is 2 or 3 years from now, not the first year.

6. Microsoft's problems with the 360 brand. The 360 has had 2 years of unprofitable performance. With respect to budgeting, any company would be a fool to put a more than "normal" amount of budgeted $$$ to any division that has historically performed poorly. I would expect that microsoft would be pretty pessimistic with the 360's potential by now, and that they would probably be thinking about giving them a lot less budgeted $$$ than they have been, so that less will be lost and that more could be spent on divisions or projects that just have more potential.

7. Sony's vs MS's profitability - MS earns about 6X's what Sony does, but at the same time, sony's profit has been growing faster. With the BD just now becoming profitable, Sony should expect to get some very good profits in with having a monopoly on this format. Also, the PS3's profits have been improving, and while still negative, it looks like the division responsible for the PS3's gaming will turn a profit in this coming quarter or the one after that. Growing profits means more $$$$ that Sony can budget towards the PS3 as well as other projects.

8. The PS3's upcoming DVR service. I hope that Sony won't try to go the cheap route with this and give only DVR with bad resolution so that we can put 500 hours of movies on the PS3, versus 30 hours of high-quality video that I think that most of us would rather have. Either way, this product upgrade looks very promising, and is a feature that the 360 just won't have.

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Either way, the BD, DVR service, VOD , HOME, etc are all upcoming services, which means that the PS3 really hasn't lived up to its full potential yet. Right now, the PS3 is selling more than the 360, and with the 360's upcoming price cut, they will probably be equal. Either way, sony just has more $$$ to put to use on its console, and the upcoming product improvements will help sales by a substantial amount when all are online.



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Bonafide732 on 12 August 2007
robjoh said:
MikeB said:
@ robjoh

have hard to see that happening without selling well in all markets and MGS4 + GTA4 wont give that edge in Japan.


What about Final Fantasy?

 Well I was discussing the possibility that PS3 passed xbox360 WW before end of 2008. FF will as earliest hit Japan in the end of 2008 so I don't think it will help. Of course most possible it will move a couple of 100k at least in Japan and greatly help PS3 pass xbox360 in early 2009.


like i said before the ps3 doesnt stand a chance to pass the 360 at all this year .. maybe towards the end of next year.. the ps3 has to have the japan market to its advantage to gain marketshare on the 360.. japan is so bad for the 360 now.. its gonna be interesting to see how multiplatform games do 360 vs PS3 in japan.. how many consoles will the 360 version sell vs. the ps3 version in japan.. DMC4 will it push PS3's or 360's in Japan?? if the ps3 can keep a steady edge in japan over the 360 (which it currently has but it will probably trickle down to the 15k range of sales) combined with selling well everywhere else i can see the ps3 closing the gap next year.... look at what the price drop did for it...at the start of july i believe it was 6.7 behind the 360 in sales but it closed it down to 6.1 or6.2 in a month....i would actually like to see it close the gap.. not because im a fanboy because im pro sony and MS but i think it will make the console wars fun and interesting..



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mitsuhide on 12 August 2007

@Dallas:
Well the cheapest Bluray player on Bestbuy.com is $487,at Target.com, is $499 and at Circuitcity.com is $499 so a $200 Bluray player is next year at the earliest i think they might be $350-$399 by this Christmas any cheaper i think will be next year.Bluray movies at $20 will be this Christmas as they are $29 now at Bestbuy.com so the attach rate will be higher after the 5free movies offer ends.



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PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

mitsuhide on 12 August 2007
Bonafide732 said:
robjoh said:
MikeB said:
@ robjoh

have hard to see that happening without selling well in all markets and MGS4 + GTA4 wont give that edge in Japan.


What about Final Fantasy?

 Well I was discussing the possibility that PS3 passed xbox360 WW before end of 2008. FF will as earliest hit Japan in the end of 2008 so I don't think it will help. Of course most possible it will move a couple of 100k at least in Japan and greatly help PS3 pass xbox360 in early 2009.


like i said before the ps3 doesnt stand a chance to pass the 360 at all this year .. maybe towards the end of next year.. the ps3 has to have the japan market to its advantage to gain marketshare on the 360.. japan is so bad for the 360 now.. its gonna be interesting to see how multiplatform games do 360 vs PS3 in japan.. how many consoles will the 360 version sell vs. the ps3 version in japan.. DMC4 will it push PS3's or 360's in Japan?? if the ps3 can keep a steady edge in japan over the 360 (which it currently has but it will probably trickle down to the 15k range of sales) combined with selling well everywhere else i can see the ps3 closing the gap next year.... look at what the price drop did for it...at the start of july i believe it was 6.7 behind the 360 in sales but it closed it down to 6.1 or6.2 in a month....i would actually like to see it close the gap.. not because im a fanboy because im pro sony and MS but i think it will make the console wars fun and interesting..


 I think its safe to say that most Multiplatform titles on PS3 and X360 will sell better on the PS3 simply because there are alot more PS3 in JPN than X360 unless X360 suddenly takes JPN by storm which is highly improbable of happening the PS3 versions will sell more. 



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Bonafide732 on 12 August 2007
robjoh said:
Bonafide732 said:
robjoh said:
Bonafide732 said:
Lost tears of Kain said:
robjoh said:
Bonafide732 said:
ps3 doesnt stand a chance to pass the 360 this year.. maybe a year from now.. since GTA will sell more ps3's next year instead of 360's and with MGS4 and killzone all coming out relativley close together at the moment

Why? Wouldn't the extra material that now should appear almost at the same time as the launch give 360 an edge?


Id think so


i just think that if i was a new console buyer... or someone upgrading from the ps2 or xbox generation.. early next year would be the perfect time to get a console....if i knew killzone MGS4 GTA IV were coming out so close to each other i would choose to get a ps3... those are potentially 3 blockbuster games.. yes the 360 version of GTA is better than the ps3 version because of the extra content.. but you gotta ask yourselves this question does that really matter in terms of choosing a system to buy?? i dont think it does.. what about you?? Now for me personally i might get the 360 version of GTA.. but just focus on new console buyers and not current ones and think about what i said.. i could mention that the ps3 will probably have another price drop by that time to help sales even more but im not gonna mention something that has not happened yet.. so i ask that anyone else does the same in response to my topic..


Well if I was a GTA fan, I ain't, which is going to buy a consol because of GTA4 I would go for that one that gave me the most game for the bucks, and that will be xbox360 simply because the extra content. Don't you think microsoft will advertise like hell that they have extra content coming in to GTA4?

About other games, at the release of GTA4 xbox360 will have more exclusive games than PS3 and they will have more games in pre-used or price cut boxes. Something I don't think should be underestimated when it comes to chosing a consol.

Of course all this is speculation and I can be wrong but if I was a diehard GTA4 fan (which I don't think 14 million users are) I would go for the xbox360. If I was a casual gamer that liked GTA last gen I would go for xbox360 because the other games in the library.


well it seems like the hardcore GTA fans would pick up the 360 version.. but you gotta ask how many of those 14 million are hardcore??? most people just wanna pick up the game kill some people for a couple hours and thats it.. the casual fan might decide to get the ps3 version just because the ps3's library is broader than the 360's.. you have to remember we are talking about next year so many good titles will have already been released on the ps3... on top of the ones i mentioned earlier..


Sorry for the late answer, I went to bed after my last replay.

Actualy I most disagree here, xbox360 library is larger than PS3. Combined with one year headstart which means a larger amount of pre-own/cheaper games a casual gamer should get more game worth from their money if the buy a xbox360. Looking at the exclusive arms race xbox360 has the double of exclusive games than PS3 (96 vs 47). Then you have the multiplat.

Other than that I personally think that those that just wants to pick up the game and play it for a couple of hours and kill some people wont buy a PS3 or a xbox360 for a 350 USD+. Those persons will come when the consol is availble for 200 USD.


i finally looked at that website... the exclusive arms race whenever a site lists tetris evolution as a 360 exclusive that site loses all credibility in my book...



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Viper1 on 12 August 2007
rager1969 said:
Viper1 said:
rager1969 said:

My predictions:

1) The Wii will start losing it's appeal sometime in 2008 and you will be able to find them anywhere. The price will drop to a still too high $199. By early 2010, the gimmicky Wii-mote will not be enough to offset the slightly upgraded Gamecube graphics and Nintendo will have to drop to $99, at which point they will annouce either a replacement console with decent graphics or that they will be a handheld-only hardware company.D

Did you put any thought or research into that at all or are you just going by the fanboys handbook?

 

I always find it absolutely hilarious that people assume the Wii will lose appeal? Ever notice that the only people that make this assumption are those it never appealed to in the first place?

 

I may have put more thought into this than most others that posted their predictions. As for research, I doubt most posters research or even try to do some half-way decent analysis when projecting sales numbers - it's guess-work, at best. Have you challenged someone's numbers that shared your opinion of the Wii, or does YOUR fanboy handbook prohibit that?

 


 I'm the EIC of a Sony site.  You assume right away I'm a Nintendo fanboy because I questioned your logic behind such a proposterous prediction.   The irony is such a lovely thing.

 

 

 

For the PS3 to overtake the X360 it needs to really move in Japan.   HSG5 helped but not on the level many expected.  If the coming months we'll see precisely how the Japanese market consumes the PS3.  If they fail to generate a substantial increase in consistant sales, the PS3 will have no chance ot supassing the X360's headstart.



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