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PDF said:
noname2200 said:
PDF said:
I hope they never do.

For a good part they never will totally because the HD market is too profitable to just give up and the Wii market is still risky.

The numbers kind of argue against you on both fronts...have you read Bodhesatva's latest thread? You should.

Is the Wii well over 50% of the market share?  no it isnt.  It will eventually but it wont have a crazy %.

Tell me a high profile game that isnt casual made by a 3rd party company to sell really well on the Wii.

Those are two irrelvant points. Let's try this again. You said "the HD market is too profitable to just give up and the Wii market is still risky." I pointed to the companies' financial results to show that you're wrong. Please respond to that point, rather than making irrelevant points. Thank you in advance.

 



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Godot said:
You HD fanboys can say what you want but western companies are all losing money except Activision and Ubisoft.

 

 

And Epic, and Valve...



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

Ail said:
Godot said:
You HD fanboys can say what you want but western companies are all losing money except Activision and Ubisoft.

And Epic, and Valve...

 

Yeah! Four western companies will survive! w00t!!!



I hope more third parties engage the Wii. I think the HD consoles are definitely overrated. I own a 360, but I think the lower development costs of Wii titles should promote developers to take more risks. The 360 and PS3 are both insanely expensive to develop for. I do not like the current direction of the gaming industry....to be honest.

A perception is being set that expensive and graphic overkill is the funnest way to game...It's quite disturbing. Hopefully, these third party developers will have a wake up call before reaching the brink of bankruptcy.

It's crazy that developers are being so resistant to the Wii...



I'm not a fanboy, I just try to tip the balance in favor of logic and common sense.

PDF said:
noname2200 said:
PDF said:
noname2200 said:
PDF said:

Those are the points I made and the points you questioned.  I said the Wii market is risky because it is.  Not many companies have been able to harnest the selling power of the Wii.  Despite many compaies losing money right now they still heavily rely on the HD market and if they gave it up they would really be screwed.  The HD market is a market they understand better.  HD games are much like a big hollywood block buster.  They spend tons of money to make them with the hope of a big pay off.

As long as the pay offs keep coming they will keep making the big blockbuster titles.(i hope)

Its simple.  The Wii will get more and more support but we wont see a massive transition.  The transition will go slow and steady throughout this gen due to the big differences between the HD consoles and the Wii. We still have so many big games being made that these companies rely on.  Games that just wont get the same sales on the Wii.

That's the problem though: although they're invested in the HD model, and know it well, it's not profitable for the majority of companies. Their revenue is at record high: their profits are all but non-existent. I know you prefer the graphics and power of the HD twins, and more power to you for that, but unfortunately the costs of delivering the awesomeness you love are too high for most third-parties to bear.

Look around for financial data. You can even do so on this site. Companies that are making the blockbusters may be selling millions of copies, but even then the bottom line doesn't increase much. Even worse, if they make even one flop, they're in serious trouble. Today alone we've heard of Free Radical closing down, because Haze did not do well. That's a decade old company with four good games, done in by a single poorly selling (and made) game. THAT'S the definitive sign of an unhealthy business model.

But I'm willing to meet you halfway on this one. If said companies start making precisely the same games on the Wii instead of the HD systems, they won't sell anywhere near as many copies for the first few years, as the market for those games has already settled on the HD consoles. So profits won't be sky-high, certainly not at first.

 



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"If said companies start making precisely the same games on the Wii instead of the HD systems, they won't sell anywhere near as many copies for the first few years, as the market for those games has already settled on the HD consoles. So profits won't be sky-high, certainly not at first."

Hmmm...then, what would be the best possible solution(s) for everyone involved?



Software developers always benefit of a unified hardware target, which is almost what we had last gen ( it wasn't that hard to make games run on all 3 consoles).
By introducing hardware with specs rather radically different from the other consoles Nintendo broke that and as a result they are affecting software companies.

So Nintendo is actually partly responsible for the current situation.



PS3-Xbox360 gap : 1.5 millions and going up in PS3 favor !

PS3-Wii gap : 20 millions and going down !

thank you Soriku...WTF is Ail talking about?

so what if they are unified..together they don't make alot of profit...
sadly...

even IF the Revolution was HD and the same..it wouldn't change the fact that nobody would upport or downport it properly..

also I LOVE that the WIi cannot play HD..why? or else we'd get the EXACT SAME GAMES as the HD consoles..and they wouldn't bother working with the motion controls or IR...just new button mapping..that's all

like Soriku said..they are killing themselves....the Wii is saving itself..



Ail said:
Software developers always benefit of a unified hardware target, which is almost what we had last gen ( it wasn't that hard to make games run on all 3 consoles).
By introducing hardware with specs rather radically different from the other consoles Nintendo broke that and as a result they are affecting software companies.

So Nintendo is actually partly responsible for the current situation.

 

This is going to end up being Nintendo's fault somehow, isn't it?



"If those third-parties are developing on the Wii exclusively than this is a realistic article, but it would be too resource heavy to have to upgrade all aspects of a lead-developed Wii title to make it playable on the PS360."

Wrong. It would cost about the same as a multiplatform game, since that is what that model basically is. How could it cost significantly more than making games ground up for HD systems, and then having to fit them on the Wii?



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