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Kasz216 on 14 December 2008

Yeah. John McCain is trying hard to regain control of the political party for the non-wasteful spending, moderates.

It's hard for him to do though since he lost the election giving the Neo-Cons a good chance to keep control... despite Bush because they can do a lot with what Obama will likely do.

Some people thought McCain losing the election would destroy the Neo-cons... when in reality it was their best chance to keep control.



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Kasz216 on 14 December 2008
halogamer1989 said:
elprincipe said:
Snesboy said:
^ I am all for American cars (Honda/Toyota and the rest of them can fall off a bridge) but c'mon, the only company that really deserves it is GM.

 

Do you even realize that most Hondas and Toyotas sold in the U.S. are made here?  And many/most parts of GM/Ford/Chrysler cars are made abroad?  At this point in time, buying a Toyota is just as much buying an American car as buying a Ford.

Exactly.  The Japanese make better cars and in an int'l capitalist society a corporation has to make or break.  It is the UAW's fault anyway.

The UAW simply got what the market would pay for labor.  You can't blame them for being good capitalists.

Nor can democrats blame the UAW because they got a lot of what Democrats want for EVERBODY.

Though both sides do seem to blame them still.

The only problem with the UAW is that retirees lose their voting rights despite still being effected by votes.

 



halogamer1989 on 14 December 2008
Kasz216 said:
halogamer1989 said:
elprincipe said:
Snesboy said:
^ I am all for American cars (Honda/Toyota and the rest of them can fall off a bridge) but c'mon, the only company that really deserves it is GM.

 

Do you even realize that most Hondas and Toyotas sold in the U.S. are made here?  And many/most parts of GM/Ford/Chrysler cars are made abroad?  At this point in time, buying a Toyota is just as much buying an American car as buying a Ford.

Exactly.  The Japanese make better cars and in an int'l capitalist society a corporation has to make or break.  It is the UAW's fault anyway.

The UAW simply got what the market would pay for labor.  You can't blame them for being good capitalists.

Nor can democrats blame the UAW because they got a lot of what Democrats want for EVERBODY.

Though both sides do seem to blame them still.

The only problem with the UAW is that retirees lose their voting rights despite still being effected by votes.

 

The simple truth is that the UAW has killed themselves.  The Senate will not vote on this until next year and the big 3 have already stated they will have failed by then.  It is really a shot in the arm to support the UAW and when they re-org guess who will be the first to strike?  Oh the irony ;)

 



akuma587 on 14 December 2008

Yup, the UAW was the one who was telling GM to make the types of cars that people didn't want and that have caused GM's problems.

While I am all for union concessions, blaming the UAW exclusively for GM et al's problem's is beyond ludicrous.



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halogamer1989 on 14 December 2008
akuma587 said:
Yup, the UAW was the one who was telling GM to make the types of cars that people didn't want and that have caused GM's problems.

While I am all for union concessions, blaming the UAW exclusively for GM et al's problem's is beyond ludicrous.

I am against that rediculous mess as well.  Not looking at demand and cont. to drive up corporate costs on futile short-term ventures is just plain stupid.  That said, the UAW has a large part to do with this as the car companies are controlled by the unions essentially and are just health care corporations that make cars.

 



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whatever on 14 December 2008

McCain's real mistake was hitching himself to Palin, as well as the Limbaugh's and Hannity's of the world. I think he must feel a huge weight is off his shoulders and he can go back to being the guy most people respected, even if they didn't agree with him.



Kasz216 on 14 December 2008
akuma587 said:
Yup, the UAW was the one who was telling GM to make the types of cars that people didn't want and that have caused GM's problems.

While I am all for union concessions, blaming the UAW exclusively for GM et al's problem's is beyond ludicrous.

People wanted those cars... till the feul crisis began.

They they were screwed.

Not to surprising though... the corporates at GM are idiots.

 



Tyrannical on 14 December 2008

McCain, out of all the republican senators, has the longest history of bipartisan work with democrats. Which coincidently is why he was never the most popular republican in certain circles.



Yet, today, America's leaders are reenacting every folly that brought these great powers [Russia, Germany, and Japan] to ruin -- from arrogance and hubris, to assertions of global hegemony, to imperial overstretch, to trumpeting new 'crusades,' to handing out war guarantees to regions and countries where Americans have never fought before. We are piling up the kind of commitments that produced the greatest disasters of the twentieth century.
 — Pat Buchanan – A Republic, Not an Empire

akuma587 on 14 December 2008
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Yup, the UAW was the one who was telling GM to make the types of cars that people didn't want and that have caused GM's problems.

While I am all for union concessions, blaming the UAW exclusively for GM et al's problem's is beyond ludicrous.

People wanted those cars... till the feul crisis began.

They they were screwed.

Not to surprising though... the corporates at GM are idiots.

 

GM has been losing market share for years though, it just hasn't come to a head until now.

Ford at least had a few years where it was gaining market share.

 



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

rocketpig on 14 December 2008
akuma587 said:
Yup, the UAW was the one who was telling GM to make the types of cars that people didn't want and that have caused GM's problems.

While I am all for union concessions, blaming the UAW exclusively for GM et al's problem's is beyond ludicrous.

If you think GM is bad, look at the shit Chrysler and Ford were making. GM looked positively eco-friendly by comparison. I bought a new car about six months ago and Ford & Chrysler were immediately taken out of consideration. I wanted American (made in America, at least), I wanted something with reasonable power and 25+ MPG highway, and I wanted something mid-sized. I ended up with a Pontiac G6. I couldn't be happier with the car because, as it turns out, gets 30+ on the freeway and also makes over 220 horsepower. It's just what I wanted in the $20-25k range.

GM also has the Volt coming, which is really a forward-thinking car. Their work with old technology - pushrod motors in particular - has been amazing over the years. They get better fuel economy and mileage out of those things than anyone could imagine. Meanwhile, Ford has been SUV-crazy for years and Chrysler is still relying on that bastardized piece of shit engine line they redubbed "Hemi" to recapture their glory of the 50s. They're wasteful, inefficient, underpowered per litre, and are basically turds compared to their General Motors counterparts.

I really wanted a Charger but after driving one, you couldn't give me that car. What a piece of shit. I'm still surprised that I ended up with a GM product, having spent most of my life hating the company.




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