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bigjon on 12 December 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
bigjon said:
it is not crazzy. all of the japanese games are on the western console, is that a good sumation for you.

 

Bigjon, the Japanese can hate the 360 all they want. It's showing nothing but bias and stupidity.

I do not think it is anymore stupid than an American wanted american "you name it"

In fact given the choice I will choice something made in America as long as it is better quality (usually that is what it is implying when they say that)

 



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

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CrazzyMan on 12 December 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
bigjon said:
it is not crazzy. all of the japanese games are on the western console, is that a good sumation for you.

Bigjon, the Japanese can hate the 360 all they want. It's showing nothing but bias and stupidity.

There is nothing stupid in hating product, which had 33-50% failure rate last 3 years.

It`s stupid to buy same 2-3 consoles after the 1-2nd broke and say, that this is normal.



Every 5 seconds on earth one child dies from hunger...

2009.04.30 - PS3 will OUTSELL x360 atleast by the middle of 2010. Japan+Europe > NA.


Gran Turismo 3 - 1,06 mln. in 3 weeks with around 4 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Gran Turismo 4 - 1,16 mln. with 18 mln. PS2 on the launch.

Final Fantasy X - around 2 mln. with 5 mln. PS2 on the launch.
Final Fantasy X-2 - 2.4 mln. with 12 mln. PS2 on the launch.

 

1.8 mln. PS3 today(2008.01.17) in Japan. Now(2009.04.30) 3.16 mln. PS3 were sold in Japan.
PS3 will reach 4 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 25k.

PS3 may reach 5 mln. in Japan by the end of 2009 with average weekly sales 50k.
PS2 2001 vs PS3 2008 sales numbers =) + New games released in Japan by 2009 that passed 100k so far

bigjon on 12 December 2008
Dodece said:
@bigjon

I believe you are referring to the Pachter doctrine, and to an extent I do think the argument is a valid one. Unfortunately there are consumers that allow nationalism, and racism to cloud their judgment. That is also not necessarily a Japanese mindset. That however does not make Microsoft's strategy one of merely cock blocking Sony. Every company that has ran head long into this particular wall has a choice between capitulation or stubborn tenacity.

With enough persistence the wall can be torn down. So that is part of the strategy Microsoft has adopted. They know it is not going to be easy, but they are going to keep at it until they get through, and find consumer acceptance. Yes it will eventually happen. You want to know something else its succeeding. Little by little they are forcing their way into that market. So much so they beat Sony for six solid weeks this year. Had I told you that the previous year you would have looked at me like I was brain dead.

Microsoft is like a force of nature it erodes the competition. Basically it is inevitable that Microsoft is going to break its way full bore into that market, and the regions consumers are going to not only tolerate it, but will eventually accept it.

 

 Gah. My theory is not that of MS just cock blocking. I believe they were trying to make major headway there. It failed, now the byproduct is major cockblockage (sounds really odd.. lol)

Also I see no problem with a little nationalism especially when it comes to consumer products. There is a reason they have the 2nd largest economy in the world despite their size... Think about, the entire world is buying their crap and they only buy there own crap (except for foods and such), imagine if the US were kinda like that... Ya some stuff would cost more...

As long as they do not take their nationalism as far as they did in WW2 I am fine with it.



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut

NSS7 on 12 December 2008

To see what you say is true is when WKC (1st great JRPG for PS3) is released.



Darc Requiem on 12 December 2008

Wow? This was joke post right? Apple had no trouble crushing Sony in the portable music player market in the Japan. That alone makes your assumptions invalid. The Japanese market is the way it is for two reasons, Nintendo saw the shift in play styles coming and Sony thought they could do no wrong.

Sony has a dearth of IPs that would appeal to the Japanese market. Unfortunately for them, they've chosen not to use them. Sony's biggest problem outside of the ludicrous pricing was and is games. To my knowledge, Sony has yet to release a JRPG based on their own IPs. Why isn't there a Wild ARMs, Legend of Dragoon, Arc The Lad, or Alundra for PS3 yet?

Sony has focused near exclusively on Western style games. I see PS3 owners continuing the blame MS for the situation in Japan when its all on Sony. They were arrogant and it bit them in the rear. MS didn't make Sony focus their first party efforts on Western style games, Sony did that of their on volition. They took the Japanese market for granted. They assumed Nintendo would be a non factor and MS just cede Japan to them. Neither proved to be the case and now they find themselves in a bind.

Too many PS3 owners seemed to have bought the console based on assumption. You have no one but yourself to blame but yourself if that is the case. Merely looking at the upcoming release lists would have saved some people on this board a lot of heartache and spared us forum goers a lot of bitterness. If you buy for the brand instead of for the games you will get burned.



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S.T.A.G.E. on 12 December 2008
bigjon said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
bigjon said:
it is not crazzy. all of the japanese games are on the western console, is that a good sumation for you.

 

Bigjon, the Japanese can hate the 360 all they want. It's showing nothing but bias and stupidity.

I do not think it is anymore stupid than an American wanted american "you name it"

In fact given the choice I will choice something made in America as long as it is better quality (usually that is what it is implying when they say that)

 

 

Big Jon....um....Americans are the most open minded buyers of all free market societies. They'll buy from anyone as long as it's quality and has a fair price. This can even be at the expense of their own economy. As I said....clear bias from Japan.



Darc Requiem on 12 December 2008
CrazzyMan said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
bigjon said:
it is not crazzy. all of the japanese games are on the western console, is that a good sumation for you.

Bigjon, the Japanese can hate the 360 all they want. It's showing nothing but bias and stupidity.

There is nothing stupid in hating product, which had 33-50% failure rate last 3 years.

It`s stupid to buy same 2-3 consoles after the 1-2nd broke and say, that this is normal.

Am I the only one that see the irony in this. PS2, DRE, Class Action Lawsuit, any of that ring a bell CrazzyMan



Seece on 12 December 2008
bigjon said:
seece said:
bigjon said:
seece said:
If "they" "refuse until death to purchase a foriegn console." then I don't care if they're missing out. The ones who have no bias will go out and pick up a 360 and enjoy all the JRPG's!

You're such a hypocrit, I made a post the other day about sony with NO hate whatsoever and you label me a hater, would it be wrong for me to labal YOU an M$ hater right now?

 

 

 No you called me a sony fanboy(i am by no means a sony fanboy), different than a MS hater. Also I do not hate MS, I prefer PCs, Zunes, and such. I have always hated the way the xbox division has chosen to market the xbox line (also for the same reason I hate apple's marketing, with there patronizing commercials). The original just made me laugh... "if we put a big X on it and tell people its way cooler people will buy ours more than theres...." sadly that does work on the 13-17 year old age group....

 

I said this was a theory, but I believe it is true. It makes sense, just step outside of your fanboy foxhole and take a look around. Since when do Japanese en masse migrate to western gaming??? Gaming is like part of their culture over there... at least that is what Kyohei told me (my Japanese roomate in college). Ok, now look at the Wii and PS3 what on the Wii and PS3 would appeal to the core gaming culture in Japan on them.... not much. They have no reason to buy PSWii and dont want a 360.... therefor... tadaa.. Sucky gaming enviroment over there.

I will be proven right when the Wii turns it all around when it begins get loads of AAA Japanese content.

I don't remember calling you a sony fanboy, sorry if I did but that IS how you come across. I also didn't call you an M$ hater I said would it be fair to call you one for this post in relation to you calling me a sony hater in my thread (where I gave no sony hate).

 

Again the reasons you hate Microsoft marketing/talk/commercials can be applied to Sony! 5 million bricks anyone??

 

"just step outside of your fanboy foxhole" - boy you can dish out but you can't take it can you, I am a 360 fan, I have nothing against the Wii it just doesn't appeal to me. And as for Sony and the PS3, I don't like how they have been ignorant, throwing their weight around, and I don't think they have put half the effort in this gen that Microsoft and Nintendo have. Thats why I like seeing the PS3 last, because they deserve to be, I didn't say they deserve to fail or go out of business, they deserve to be last.

So lets say your theory is right? So what? Microsoft are a business trying to break into a difficult market and they bought some popular japanese games to help out. What do you exactly expect them to do, let Sony and Nintendo walk all over them? I still don't believe the decline in Japan is because of M$, there have been a lot of articals saying the Japanese are just too busy these days and are more into handhelds. They seem to be doing just fine don't they?

 

 

 forgive me for taking your constant defense of all things 360 and constant praise and glory for it recently better sales as fayboyism... I guess you were just happy for them right. I did not say MS whole goal was to f up sony, that is what Crazzyman is implying. I said a by product of there market penetration attempts is hurting the market as a whole. The fact you are spewing with such ferver over this is what makes me believe you are indeed a fanboy... There marketing makes me feel stupid everytime I am hit with it. And yes sony's marketing is rather pointless too, there are many reasons the PS3 is sitting in the crapper right now.

But this thread was not about the PS3 or Wii. It was about how the 360 is hurting the japanese market more than it is helping.

 

"forgive me for taking your constant defense of all things 360 and constant praise and glory for it recently better sales as fayboyism"

You're forgiven.



 

Serious_frusting on 12 December 2008

very interesting argument, you are probably onto something



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bigjon on 12 December 2008
S.T.A.G.E. said:
bigjon said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
bigjon said:
it is not crazzy. all of the japanese games are on the western console, is that a good sumation for you.

 

Bigjon, the Japanese can hate the 360 all they want. It's showing nothing but bias and stupidity.

I do not think it is anymore stupid than an American wanted american "you name it"

In fact given the choice I will choice something made in America as long as it is better quality (usually that is what it is implying when they say that)

 

 

Big Jon....um....Americans are the most open minded buyers of all free market societies. They'll buy from anyone as long as it's quality and has a fair price. This can even be at the expense of their own economy. As I said....clear bias from Japan.

yes we will, but most of us still prefer made in US goods. If for the only reason being economic.

 



End of 2009 Predictions (Set, January 1st 2009)

Wii- 72 million   3rd Year Peak, better slate of releases

360- 37 million   Should trend down slightly after 3rd year peak

PS3- 29 million  Sales should pick up next year, 3rd year peak and price cut