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BengaBenga on 09 December 2008
superbeast1370 said:
why the hell should they put it on the wii or 360? Persona started on PlayStation.

 

 

Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest started on the NES.



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naznatips on 09 December 2008
BengaBenga said:
Great, probably well deserved. MegaTen is awesome! Time to dust off the ol' PS2!

If only the PS3 was Backwards Compatible they'd have a great title to promote.

 

I bought an old 20GB, so I'll get to play it in very pretty upscaled beauty,



mtofu on 09 December 2008

i wonder if they'll release a FES edition.

i'm lucky i got the 60 gb when they announced that it would be discontinued. i moved and i can't find a lot of my old ps2 cables and peripherals.

i don't mind SMT going to the wii (pswii60 owner), but i won't appreciate it if they try to incorporate goofy waggle controls. it would be better off it stuck with a few buttons and maybe point for menu selection or just configure for the classic controller.

... all that said, i hope that it does come to the ps3.



Pristine20 on 09 December 2008
BengaBenga said:
Pristine20 said:
BengaBenga said:
Uhm, the combined userbase of the HD consoles isn't even half that of Wii AND the two best sold RPGs so far are on Wii. Plus there are 7 or so in the making, most of them smaller niche titles, but still by talented developers. Niche JRPG fans will be on Wii anyway.
And Koei's Samurai Warriors 3 will be on Wii as well as will Monster Hunter 3, two titles that will drive more Japanese core support.

I really don't think Persona 5 has any chance of seeing a HD release. The series is just too niche for it. PS2 and Wii or just Wii (depending on the sales) would be the option.

@BTFeather: Why on earth would Microsoft want to moneyhat one of the most niche RPGs ever? That's stupid. Ever bothered to look what a MegaTen game usually sells?

Have you played a megaten game? If so, do you really think Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 and Persona 3 would get away with their content if released on wii? Or Atlus would totally lose creativity to put a game on wii when even nintendo's own fire emblem hasn't performed relative to the userbase.

For a hardcore niche titles, I think figuring out where your fans are is more important than selling to the masses. Which is why I think ps2 is most favored.

However, you seem to have the idea that HD games have to have HD graphics which is what tends to drive up their dev costs. Disgaea 3 says hi! Persona 5 can keep P4 style and be on Ps3, I don't think megaten fans will care. FF fans in comparison care about graphics because the FF series has always prided itself in being some of the best looking games iof thier generation. Megaten? not so much.

I do agree with you that M$ is unlikely to buy this though and I pray with Btfeather that they don't. I think he's just trying to numb himself against the worst case scenario.

 

Yes I have played several MegaTen games. I'm a huge SRPG fan.

Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn sold over 500k (of which 170k in Japan, which is about half Persona 3 on the mighty PS2). I think that's a massive success for a niche genre like that. And Fire Emblem is the core of core in SRPG. I know games on PS360 don't need to be HD, but we all know that a lot of the userbase will ignore a title that looks bad.

Sure the hardcore SMT fan will buy a console for it, but I don't think that group is very big. Next year I expect the Wii to become the JRPG platform of choice, especially for the non-massive series, so SMT would find a nice userbase there AND can basically still sell the same game  on the PS2. I mean console gaming in Japan is basically Wii or PS2.

Your average Gears 2 owner or KZ2 owner isn't who these games are aimed at. Fire emblem had an ace up it's sleeve, even though it's niche, it's published by nintendo. Wii music would tank extra hard if it there was no wii in the title and the same exact game was published by Atari or someone else.

Wii will never be the JRPG console of choice. You also have to understand that a majority of it's owners aren't even contenders for potential buyers of these games because they'll get no hype, promotion or tv advertising whatsoever and these people are mostly casuals so I don't see the wii as the deal breaker. Also, if you played DDS and P3, I personally can't see the wii getting away with a games that have cannibalism and what looks like constant suicide. It just doesn't sit well with the wii they advertise on TV which is an added minus. All the new wii JRPGS fit the family-friendly stereotype while megaten is just on a different level.

In conclusion, JRPG users can't flock to any single console this gen. PS2 will probaly keep its JRPG crown for the whole of this gen. Due to the fact that mostly only hardcore fans of the series would even know P5 release date, I think it'll be ps2 if released in or before 2010 or ps3 if released after 2010. These are my most likely scenarios



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Pristine20 on 09 December 2008
naznatips said:
BengaBenga said:
Great, probably well deserved. MegaTen is awesome! Time to dust off the ol' PS2!

If only the PS3 was Backwards Compatible they'd have a great title to promote.

 

I bought an old 20GB, so I'll get to play it in very pretty upscaled beauty,

 

This is why ps3>>>ps2 for ps2 games. *I love my 60gb lol*



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

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Pristine20 on 09 December 2008
mtofu said:
i wonder if they'll release a FES edition.

i'm lucky i got the 60 gb when they announced that it would be discontinued. i moved and i can't find a lot of my old ps2 cables and peripherals.

i don't mind SMT going to the wii (pswii60 owner), but i won't appreciate it if they try to incorporate goofy waggle controls. it would be better off it stuck with a few buttons and maybe point for menu selection or just configure for the classic controller.

... all that said, i hope that it does come to the ps3.

Funny, thats exactly when I got my 60gb. I smelled something fishy and took action quickly even though there were no ps3 games I really wanted at the time.

 



"Dr. Tenma, according to you, lives are equal. That's why I live today. But you must have realised it by now...the only thing people are equal in is death"---Johann Liebert (MONSTER)

"WAR is a racket. It always has been.

It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

BengaBenga on 09 December 2008
Pristine20 said:
BengaBenga said:
Pristine20 said:
BengaBenga said:
Uhm, the combined userbase of the HD consoles isn't even half that of Wii AND the two best sold RPGs so far are on Wii. Plus there are 7 or so in the making, most of them smaller niche titles, but still by talented developers. Niche JRPG fans will be on Wii anyway.
And Koei's Samurai Warriors 3 will be on Wii as well as will Monster Hunter 3, two titles that will drive more Japanese core support.

I really don't think Persona 5 has any chance of seeing a HD release. The series is just too niche for it. PS2 and Wii or just Wii (depending on the sales) would be the option.

@BTFeather: Why on earth would Microsoft want to moneyhat one of the most niche RPGs ever? That's stupid. Ever bothered to look what a MegaTen game usually sells?

Have you played a megaten game? If so, do you really think Digital Devil Saga 1 & 2 and Persona 3 would get away with their content if released on wii? Or Atlus would totally lose creativity to put a game on wii when even nintendo's own fire emblem hasn't performed relative to the userbase.

For a hardcore niche titles, I think figuring out where your fans are is more important than selling to the masses. Which is why I think ps2 is most favored.

However, you seem to have the idea that HD games have to have HD graphics which is what tends to drive up their dev costs. Disgaea 3 says hi! Persona 5 can keep P4 style and be on Ps3, I don't think megaten fans will care. FF fans in comparison care about graphics because the FF series has always prided itself in being some of the best looking games iof thier generation. Megaten? not so much.

I do agree with you that M$ is unlikely to buy this though and I pray with Btfeather that they don't. I think he's just trying to numb himself against the worst case scenario.

 

Yes I have played several MegaTen games. I'm a huge SRPG fan.

Fire Emblem Radiant Dawn sold over 500k (of which 170k in Japan, which is about half Persona 3 on the mighty PS2). I think that's a massive success for a niche genre like that. And Fire Emblem is the core of core in SRPG. I know games on PS360 don't need to be HD, but we all know that a lot of the userbase will ignore a title that looks bad.

Sure the hardcore SMT fan will buy a console for it, but I don't think that group is very big. Next year I expect the Wii to become the JRPG platform of choice, especially for the non-massive series, so SMT would find a nice userbase there AND can basically still sell the same game  on the PS2. I mean console gaming in Japan is basically Wii or PS2.

Your average Gears 2 owner or KZ2 owner isn't who these games are aimed at. Fire emblem had an ace up it's sleeve, even though it's niche, it's published by nintendo. Wii music would tank extra hard if it there was no wii in the title and the same exact game was published by Atari or someone else.

Wii will never be the JRPG console of choice. You also have to understand that a majority of it's owners aren't even contenders for potential buyers of these games because they'll get no hype, promotion or tv advertising whatsoever and these people are mostly casuals so I don't see the wii as the deal breaker. Also, if you played DDS and P3, I personally can't see the wii getting away with a games that have cannibalism and what looks like constant suicide. It just doesn't sit well with the wii they advertise on TV which is an added minus. All the new wii JRPGS fit the family-friendly stereotype while megaten is just on a different level.

In conclusion, JRPG users can't flock to any single console this gen. PS2 will probaly keep its JRPG crown for the whole of this gen. Due to the fact that mostly only hardcore fans of the series would even know P5 release date, I think it'll be ps2 if released in or before 2010 or ps3 if released after 2010. These are my most likely scenarios

I agree there won't be a single JRPG console to own. Untill now it's clearly the 360, but next year there will be a lot of Wii JRPGs. PS3 is kinda sad atm.

Fire Emblem doesn't have any benefit from being published by Nintendo, aside from maybe being available at retailers (which isn't even the case) due to good distribution. There was no advertising for it and it doesn't have any recognizable Nintendo mascots. It simply sold well because, contrary to popular believe, there actually ARE hardcore gamers on the Wii.

A majority of Wii owners are casual so won't buy JRPGs. But the majority of the HD consoles is made up of shooter fans... The PS3 doesn't have a single JRPG seller yet and still you think it's more logical P5 will be on PS3 than on Wii, despite Wii having abou 3x as much consoles in Japan and at least has some evidence it can sell JRPGs. I do agree that a PS2 version is very likely.

The content of the game is totally irrelevant. Nintendo published Fatal Frame 4, which if I recalled the previews correctly deals with locking up young girls on an island. And Killer 7, No More Heroes and RE never had problems being on a Nintendo console.

 



Zlejedi on 09 December 2008
mtofu said:
i wonder if they'll release a FES edition.

 

Nope they clearly said that this will be final version of Persona 4 and there's no chances of FES version.

 



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naznatips on 09 December 2008
Pristine20 said:

Your average Gears 2 owner or KZ2 owner isn't who these games are aimed at. Fire emblem had an ace up it's sleeve, even though it's niche, it's published by nintendo. Wii music would tank extra hard if it there was no wii in the title and the same exact game was published by Atari or someone else.

Wii will never be the JRPG console of choice. You also have to understand that a majority of it's owners aren't even contenders for potential buyers of these games because they'll get no hype, promotion or tv advertising whatsoever and these people are mostly casuals so I don't see the wii as the deal breaker. Also, if you played DDS and P3, I personally can't see the wii getting away with a games that have cannibalism and what looks like constant suicide. It just doesn't sit well with the wii they advertise on TV which is an added minus. All the new wii JRPGS fit the family-friendly stereotype while megaten is just on a different level.

In conclusion, JRPG users can't flock to any single console this gen. PS2 will probaly keep its JRPG crown for the whole of this gen. Due to the fact that mostly only hardcore fans of the series would even know P5 release date, I think it'll be ps2 if released in or before 2010 or ps3 if released after 2010. These are my most likely scenarios

 

This post is full of an unacceptable amount of ignorance.  Nintendo has done nothing to limit content on Wii games past those that are rated AO by the ESRB (Which neither Sony nor Microsoft allow).  Manhunt 2, No More Heroes, and MadWorld are incredibly graphic.  Far more than any Persona game has ever been.

As for audience, the Wii has sold far better in JRPGs in Japan than the PS3 or 360.  Dragon Quest Swords is more than double the highest selling PS3 or 360 RPG in Japan, and the Tales spinoff outsold the new main game on 360.  Probably for a small fraction of the dev costs. 

As for actual RPG offerings on the platform, you should be paying a lot more attention to the Wii if you are an RPG fan, as it's got much more coming for it than the PS3 or 360 in the genre.  Not as many big names, to be sure, but as a Persona fan that should hardly matter to you at all. What matters is the quality, and as you should know, the little-known names are often the best.

Some games you should be looking at:

Arc Rise Fantasia
Fragile: Farewell Ruins of the Moon
Muramasa: The Demon Blade
Rune Factory: Frontier
Golden Bonds



BengaBenga on 09 December 2008

lol @ naz. And I thought I was being a hard ass!

Is Kizuna renamed Golden Bonds now? I'm really really looking forward to that.