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akuma587 said:
theRepublic said:I don't remember Palin making any errors, but she completely failed to answer the questions she was actually asked.

This.  All of the debatees may have been using a script, but Palin forgot that you didn't have to read your script in the order you memorized it!

@ Jackson: sounds like halogamer is trying to filibuster you!

 

Haha, I may have to invoke the dreaded "nuclear option." 

OT: Aside from Newt, the only other viable candidate that is known by the nation is Huckabee.



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I've only read the first couple posts, but considering that Obama was lambasted by the conservative base for his lack of experience for almost the entire election, the choices of Jindal and Palin seem a little strange. Maybe I'm missing something.



 

 

MontanaHatchet said:
I've only read the first couple posts, but considering that Obama was lambasted by the conservative base for his lack of experience for almost the entire election, the choices of Jindal and Palin seem a little strange. Maybe I'm missing something.

The only difference is that Jindal has both executive and legislative experience. If Palin's limited executive experience qualified her in the eyes of the Republicans, then they will have no qualms about nominating Jindal. I am not saying it makes sense, but "executive experience" apparently revs their motors.



Jackson50 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
I've only read the first couple posts, but considering that Obama was lambasted by the conservative base for his lack of experience for almost the entire election, the choices of Jindal and Palin seem a little strange. Maybe I'm missing something.

The only difference is that Jindal has both executive and legislative experience. If Palin's limited executive experience qualified her in the eyes of the Republicans, then they will have no qualms about nominating Jindal. I am not saying it makes sense, but "executive experience" apparently revs their motors.

Not as much as "tax cuts" does though.  Or "moose hunting".

 



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damkira said:

I'm confident that aftrer the economic recovery and the end of the Iraq War, nobody will stand a chance against Obama but I'd really like to see Sarah Palin run for president. That would be hilarious.

Huckabee would be another one who would be great. Basically, anybody who is very far right and illustrates how far out of touch the Republican party has become.

 

 

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akuma587 said:
Jackson50 said:
MontanaHatchet said:
I've only read the first couple posts, but considering that Obama was lambasted by the conservative base for his lack of experience for almost the entire election, the choices of Jindal and Palin seem a little strange. Maybe I'm missing something.

The only difference is that Jindal has both executive and legislative experience. If Palin's limited executive experience qualified her in the eyes of the Republicans, then they will have no qualms about nominating Jindal. I am not saying it makes sense, but "executive experience" apparently revs their motors.

Not as much as "tax cuts" does though.  Or "moose hunting".

 

Yeah, the GOP does not need to nominate "Moosalini."

 



Snesboy said:
damkira said:

I'm confident that aftrer the economic recovery and the end of the Iraq War, nobody will stand a chance against Obama but I'd really like to see Sarah Palin run for president. That would be hilarious.

Huckabee would be another one who would be great. Basically, anybody who is very far right and illustrates how far out of touch the Republican party has become.

 

 

Ha. Yeah right. (read: Carter)

Welcome to the United Socialist States of America!

Your post made no sense. We're no longer in the election. There's no reason to spout cliches stolen from conservative talk show hosts. It's not a form of argument. Hopefully these short, precise sentences help get my point across.

 



 

 

Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
That's all any politician does during a debate Akuma. Recite a script they've been prepped with.

McCain, Biden and Obama all did the same thing. It just wasn't as noticeable.

Every candidate is given a huge script before the debates. That's why debate prep takes so much time.
What you are saying is true, but you are looking at things in the abstract.  And Obama actually is advocating a tax cut for the majority of Americans plus a stimulus package.

But the fact that our national debt is over $9 trillion could be disastrous in the future.  It would be irresponsible to keep dropping taxes when the debt is as high as it already is.  If we had $0 in debt, I'd be all for a tax cut, but that isn't the case.
The reason republicans aren't fiscally conservative anymore is because democrats aren't fiscally conservative and it's a dozen times easier to get spending bills passed then it is to get spending cuts passed.

If you aren't getting a big piece of the pie your constitutiants are wondering why the blue disctricts are getting so much more of the national taxpayer money.

Republicans and Democrats fight over the budget... and aren't willing to compromise.  If the democrats are going to get so much money for their plans, the republicans want at least as much money for their plans or it looks bad on them.  Etc.

That's the problem.  For one party to be fiscally conservative they both do in the modern times.

I don't think the evidence supports this argument. 

The last time Democrats controlled the White House and both sides of Congress was 1993-1994.  They raised taxes and cut spending, enabling the balanced budgets and budget surpluses of the 1990s.  (Republicans hammered on the "raised taxes" part hard enough to win historic amounts of Congressional seats.) 

The last time the Republicans controlled the White House and both sides of Congress was 2001 and 2003-2007.  Um, do I have to say it? 

On a side note, I would guess that the blue districts get more money anyway because big cities trend Democratic.



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Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:

What you are saying is true, but you are looking at things in the abstract.  And Obama actually is advocating a tax cut for the majority of Americans plus a stimulus package.

But the fact that our national debt is over $9 trillion could be disastrous in the future.  It would be irresponsible to keep dropping taxes when the debt is as high as it already is.  If we had $0 in debt, I'd be all for a tax cut, but that isn't the case.
The reason republicans aren't fiscally conservative anymore is because democrats aren't fiscally conservative and it's a dozen times easier to get spending bills passed then it is to get spending cuts passed.

If you aren't getting a big piece of the pie your constitutiants are wondering why the blue disctricts are getting so much more of the national taxpayer money.

Republicans and Democrats fight over the budget... and aren't willing to compromise.  If the democrats are going to get so much money for their plans, the republicans want at least as much money for their plans or it looks bad on them.  Etc.

That's the problem.  For one party to be fiscally conservative they both do in the modern times.

I don't think the evidence supports this argument. 

The last time Democrats controlled the White House and both sides of Congress was 1993-1994.  They raised taxes and cut spending, enabling the balanced budgets and budget surpluses of the 1990s.  (Republicans hammered on the "raised taxes" part hard enough to win historic amounts of Congressional seats.) 

The last time the Republicans controlled the White House and both sides of Congress was 2001 and 2003-2007.  Um, do I have to say it? 

On a side note, I would guess that the blue districts get more money anyway because big cities trend Democratic.

Exactly, Republicans are essentially obsessed with tax cuts because they think it is the issue that brings home the bacon (and rightfully so).  But at the same time they maintain this attitude that they are fiscally conservative, which is patently untrue.  Sure they love to complain about government, but they sure as hell don't mind spending money on it and letting it balloon up in size.

And even if Kasz argument is true, doesn't that mean that the Republicans are simply lying to the American people that they are fiscally conservative?

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Final-Fan said:
Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:
That's all any politician does during a debate Akuma. Recite a script they've been prepped with.

McCain, Biden and Obama all did the same thing. It just wasn't as noticeable.

Every candidate is given a huge script before the debates. That's why debate prep takes so much time.
What you are saying is true, but you are looking at things in the abstract.  And Obama actually is advocating a tax cut for the majority of Americans plus a stimulus package.

But the fact that our national debt is over $9 trillion could be disastrous in the future.  It would be irresponsible to keep dropping taxes when the debt is as high as it already is.  If we had $0 in debt, I'd be all for a tax cut, but that isn't the case.
The reason republicans aren't fiscally conservative anymore is because democrats aren't fiscally conservative and it's a dozen times easier to get spending bills passed then it is to get spending cuts passed.

If you aren't getting a big piece of the pie your constitutiants are wondering why the blue disctricts are getting so much more of the national taxpayer money.

Republicans and Democrats fight over the budget... and aren't willing to compromise.  If the democrats are going to get so much money for their plans, the republicans want at least as much money for their plans or it looks bad on them.  Etc.

That's the problem.  For one party to be fiscally conservative they both do in the modern times.

I don't think the evidence supports this argument. 

The last time Democrats controlled the White House and both sides of Congress was 1993-1994.  They raised taxes and cut spending, enabling the balanced budgets and budget surpluses of the 1990s.  (Republicans hammered on the "raised taxes" part hard enough to win historic amounts of Congressional seats.) 

The last time the Republicans controlled the White House and both sides of Congress was 2001 and 2003-2007.  Um, do I have to say it? 

On a side note, I would guess that the blue districts get more money anyway because big cities trend Democratic.

I'm pretty sure the Balanced budget was around in the early Clinton Years.  When the republicans were in control.

I'm pretty sure in fact it was balanced then because I remember the White House almost getting shut down during the whole fiasco.

And I said a bigger percentage of the money.  Not bigger amount.