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DMeisterJ on 03 December 2008

lol.

I guess he hasn't seen black friday sales where blu-ray sales were only behind Women's shoes and Watches.

Mainstream Acheived.

Thread and Article Fail.

Haters fail.



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WiiStation360 on 03 December 2008

I will never understand some peoples hatred of BluRay.

It is just a media format. If you do not like it, you are free to ignore it.



Ikkes on 03 December 2008

In the Netherlands blu-ray become even more common..so i don't think it's dying, so far i can see it's only gaining marketshare. When it first was 1 meter of blu-ray films in the Media Markt (european electronica store) it's now over 10 meter.



llewdebkram on 03 December 2008

I don't hate blu-ray, neither do I need it but I'm of the opinion it's never going to be big and more likely to be a small bridge between DVD and whatever comes next.



leo-j on 03 December 2008

Werent blu-ray players selling out? And the BD sections of stores going empty during black friday



 

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leo-j on 03 December 2008
llewdebkram said:
I don't hate blu-ray, neither do I need it but I'm of the opinion it's never going to be big and more likely to be a small bridge between DVD and whatever comes next.

 

 Compare a normal DVD on a normal DVD player on an HD TV, with a BD player on an HD TV. There is a HUGE difference.



 

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Auron on 03 December 2008

Let's all post articles from over a month ago and discuss them.



NightDragon83 on 03 December 2008

I don't hate Blu-Ray, I just don't think it's the ideal next step for a mainstream home entertainment medium.

DVDs were a huge step above VHS cassettes, just as audio CDs were a huge step above audio cassettes a decade earlier when the industry made the transition from analog to digital mediums.  Blu-Ray is to DVD as Laserdisc was to VHS... an improvement but not a replacement.



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You know I was always wondering why no one ever used the dollar sign for $ony, but then I realized they have no money so it would be pointless.

masterb8tr on 03 December 2008
scorptile said:
vlad321 said:
I've stated this many times, unless the prices of BluRay fall across the board and quickly it just won't go anywhere, the benefits are just too marginal, it's just a DVD 1.5 as it is. I still stand by my prediction that within several years we will start seeing SSD used for distribution as costs on the lower end are cut, not to mention the USB 3.0 with the 5 gig/s data transfer rate.

 

i have to agree with you. BR is a fad right now. actually its not even that cause its not sellin very well. not as well as dvd itself did back in teh late 90's. and now with "digital copy" there is more money away from BR. next will be full downloadable HD movies either directly to your pc to where you can burn them or direct downloads to your DVR or whatever divice your gonna be using. there already is a netflicks downloader for the 360 and an individual box if you wanna buy it. so as quickly as BR has arrived it will leave and the ps3 will hurt even more then it has.

 

First of all you'd be surprised to find out just how many people who doesnt know how to burn a disc, or even download a movie. Second of all, your logic is flawed. Excuse me for asking what are people supposed to burn their hd movie on if not a blu ray?

 

Lets be honest there are alot of problems with downloading as well

1.Now if people were to put their movies on a hdd, they'd have to move the damn thing into their living room  and hook it up to some sort of media center everytime they want to watch a movie. This is a hazzle for many people and some(if not many) doesnt even know how to put the video file onto their HDD. This can of course be learned, but it doesnt really make it easier for people.

2. What about places were you do not have internet? what are you supposed to do? its no way to get the movie, UNLESS you actually go to some place(store), either download the movie there or transfer it trough a USB 3.0 port at a vending machine of some sort. But then again you'd have to bring your hdd to get the movie. Can you imagine the lines of people, hooking up their hdd everytime? And also if they were to use vending machines, it would be a limited amount of movies avaliable at each machine(for now). imo it would be alot easier just to buy a blu ray disc.

3. cables, hdd means cables, this is tiresome.

4.

Hd movies you download doesnt possess the same quality as Hd movies on a optical disc since the data is compressed. THis is not good imo. And still even if the data is compressed the movie would still be 20 gig and that would take a long time to download. Hell if the movies were to be on par with blu ray the movies would take around 50gig. Regular cable gives you what, Like 25mbits max? It would take around 4 hours to download if your max speed is topped all the time. And if everyone were to download a 50 gig movie all the time, the studios would have to have some insane servers in order to give you max speed, meaning big servers cost, but hey the problems doesnt end there. If you and your neighbour were to download a movie at the same time, and you had the same ISP your speed would be greatly reduced due to a joint connection point for your cables. Thats right shared internet speed. But hey lets say you download a 50 gig movie at max speed in like 4 hours, that means you wont be able to use internet at all in that period of time, which can get pretty annoying. My point being, i dont think Download services will be able to achieve market domination until people get fiber. Which pretty much rules out the problems mentioned above. However fiber cables doesnt just appear over night. FIber is expensive and it takes a lot of time to install. To improve the infrastructure on such a grand scale will be costfull and time consuming. Dont even think it will be done in 8 years.

 

5.what to do when your hdd fills up? buy another one=? it would take alot of space and it would give you extra cost fee lets say around every 20 movie. If you have 1000gig that is.

 

as you can see alot of problems.



ceaser92 on 03 December 2008
Garnett said:

October 28th, 2008

Blu-ray is dead - heckuva job, Sony!

Posted by Robin Harris @ 12:31 pm

Blu-ray is in a death spiral. 12 months from now Blu-ray will be a videophile niche, not a mass market product.

With only a 4% share of US movie disc sales and HD download capability arriving, the Blu-ray disc Association (BDA) is still smoking dope. Even $150 Blu-ray players won’t save it.

16 months ago I called the HD war for Blu-ray. My bad. Who dreamed they could both lose?

Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
Delusional Sony exec Rick Clancy needs to put the crack pipe down and really look at the market dynamics.

In a nutshell: consumers drive the market and they don’t care about Blu-ray’s theoretical advantages. Especially during a world-wide recession.

Remember Betamax? SACD? Minidisk? Laser Disk? DVD-Audio? There are more losers than winners in consumer storage formats.

It’s all about volume. 8 months after Toshiba threw in the towel, Blu-ray still doesn’t have it.

The Blu-ray Disc Association doesn’t get it
$150 Blu-ray disc players are a good start, but it won’t take Blu-ray over the finish line. The BDA is stuck in the past with a flawed five-year-old strategy.

The original game plan
Two things killed the original strategy. First the fight with HD DVD stalled the industry for two years. Initial enthusiasm for high definition video on disk was squandered.

Second, the advent of low cost up-sampling DVD players dramatically cut the video quality advantage of Blu-ray DVDs. Suddenly, for $100, your average consumer can put good video on their HDTV using standard DVDs. When Blu-ray got started no one dreamed this would happen.

Piggies at the trough
The Blu-ray Disc Association hoped for a massive cash bonanza as millions of consumers discovered that standard DVDs looked awful on HDTV. To cash in they loaded Blu-ray licenses with costly fees. Blu-ray doesn’t just suck for consumers: small producers can’t afford it either.

According to Digital Content Producer Blu-ray doesn’t cut it for business:

  • Recordable discs don’t play reliably across the range of Blu-ray players - so you can’t do low-volume runs yourself.
  • Service bureau reproduction runs $20 per single layer disc in quantities of 300 or less.
  • Hollywood style printed/replicated Blu-ray discs are considerably cheaper once you reach the thousand unit quantity: just $3.50 per disc.
  • High-quality authoring programs like Sony Blu-print or Sonic Solutions Scenarist cost $40,000.
  • The Advanced Access Content System - the already hacked DRM - has a one-time fee of $3000 plus a per project cost of almost $1600 plus $.04 per disk. And who defines “project?”
  • Then the Blu-ray disc Association charges another $3000 annually to use their very exclusive - on 4% of all video disks! - logo.

That’s why you don’t see quirky indie flicks on Blu-ray. Small producers can’t afford it - even though they shoot in HDV and HD.

The Storage Bits take
Don’t expect Steve Jobs to budge from his “bag of hurt” understatement. Or Final Cut Studio support for Blu-ray. I suspect that Jobs is using his Hollywood clout from his board seat on Disney and his control of iTunes to try to talk sense to the BDA.

But the BDA won’t budge. They, like so much of Hollywood, are stuck in the past.

A forward looking strategy would include:

  • Recognition that consumers don’t need Blu-ray. It is a nice-to-have and must be priced accordingly.
  • Accept the money spent on Blu-ray is gone and will never earn back the investment. Then you can begin thinking clearly about how to maximize Blu-ray penetration.
  • The average consumer will probably pay $50 more for a Blu-ray player that is competitive with the average up-sampling DVD player. Most of the current Blu-ray players are junk: slow, feature-poor and way over-priced.
  • Disk price margins can’t be higher than DVDs and probably should be less. The question the studios need to ask is: “do we want to be selling disks in 5 years?” No? Then keep it up. Turn distribution over to your very good friends at Comcast, Apple and Time Warner. You’ll be like Procter & Gamble paying Safeway to stock your products.
  • Fire all the market research firms telling you how great it is going to be. They are playing you. Your #1 goal: market share. High volume is your only chance to earn your way out of this mess and keep some control of your distribution.

Time is short. Timid incrementalism will kill you.

Like Agent Smith delivering the bad news to a complacent cop: “No, Lieutenant, your men are already dead.”

http://blogs.zdnet.com/storage/?p=365&tag=nl.e550

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I would have to disagree,i see more movies coming out on blue ray,and blue ray quality movies will improve over time,if you have the TV for it of course,and blue ray is taking more market share

are u sure your not on that dope