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mwjw696 on 03 December 2008
DKII said:
I can't usually notice the difference on my own setup, the upscaled DVDs and even the Wii look really good on my TV.

 

 The real question is what setup do you have? On a standard Def or older HD TV you will never notice the difference. Yes My Wii games like Mario Galaxy and Metroid Prime looked AWSOME on my old TV, the 360 text was to small and blurry though. So now I got a brand new 40in HD 1080p Samsung (love that blue light at the bottom). I kind of cringe at the wii games now because they dont look as good all streched out on my brand new TV as they did before. The thing is for 10-15$ more I dont care about Blue-ray disks, ive seen them on a PS3 which is supposted to be the best blue-ray player on the market... or at least thats what Sony keeps craming down peoples throats.  Its just not worth the money to me and most people, to not only buy a $300+ player but also pay out the ass for movies I can get for $10-15 not $20-30. I mean seriously I see the difference but its not worth my money. Same reason most people dont buy a new car.



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Deviation59 on 03 December 2008
Katilian said:
Deviation59 said:

I think we found the real troll right here. Go tell your little stories to all of the home theater nuts who don't give a damn about video game systems that Blu-ray isn't worth the upgrade over DVD. You'll be laughed out of the room. Hell, even my tech-clueless parents have fallen in love with Blu-ray. Pretty much anyone who sees Blu-ray on a decent HDTV is blown away by it, which might explain why it's being adopted faster than DVD was.

It seems that pretty much everyone who is either claiming that Blu-ray doesn't offer much or that go out of their way to prognosticate doom for the format are either bitter HD-DVD owners or fanboys of the Xbox 360 who don't like it because Sony is involved. It's all FUD.

Ahh yes, ZenfoldVGI and myself, who have both said we love the extra quality of bluray and have spend large amount of money on our systems to enjoy it are out spreding FUD about because we are bitter fanboys.

Makes perfect sense.

Not really. Just means that I made the mistake of not reading the entire thread and instead responded to a single comment. I'm sorry that some of the comments in that previous post are directed at you - though the rest of it is still valid in my mind.



Katilian on 03 December 2008
Deviation59 said:

Not really. Just means that I made the mistake of not reading the entire thread and instead responded to a single comment. I'm sorry that some of the comments in that previous post are directed at you - though the rest of it is still valid in my mind.

I'll apologise for being a bit bitchy. Annoying day at work + this thread getting turned into 360 vs PS3 (when it has nothing to do with that) made me want to let off some steam.

Perhaps I should stop reading VGChartz at work and....you know....do some work

 



kabhold on 03 December 2008

I have a 47" LCD 1080p. NO comparison. Not even close. BLU-RAY is awesome. I used to have an upscaling DVD player b4 i bought my Ps3. No going back. I know many people disagree. But I love technology. And true 1080p is awe inspiring (In the right movies.... i.e Transformers). The day I got my BLU-RAY felt the same as when I got my PS2 (DVD). no joke. LOVE it.



kabhold on 03 December 2008
Homeroids said:
The reality is the world is going HD. TV stations have gone HD, Gaming is going HD, home movies are going HD. Pragmatically, in the home movie space there is 2 possible ways to see HD. Download/streaming on demand or the physical media known as BD.

Timewarp back 2-3 years. HD ignorance was extremely high. HD TV's were still predominately 1080i CRT's, HD transmissions on free to air were hardly mandatory. The physical media war was about to begin and the first "HD" consoles were upon us.

The PS3 came to market too early to be used as a HD media centre. Heck, the uncertainty with BD winning over HD DVD was enough to put the educated HD person right off. We know the history behind the HD media war and why PS3 has BD.

Now the physical war has been decided. HD Ignorance is still high but as necessity bites, HD will become more relevant. 1080p TV's are now a standard rather than an option (almost) and HD is "leaking" into the general ignorant population. People are becoming more HD aware.

It's a question of when, not if. Hollywood will dump DVD as soon as they can collectively give it the big A and the big boot because one of the huge drivers behind the new formats (BD and HD DVD) was that the DVD market was saturated and the DVD market was becoming margin squeezed on profit. Hollywood have it their power to "kill" DVD tomorrow if they so wished. DVD is at the mercy of content provision just as much as BD and when BD hits a critical mass then DVD will drop off because Hollywood gets more margin on it.

WE can now debate BD vs Downloading. Downloading HD is predominately 720p with archaic audio (often stereo). It is a falsehood HD. But hey, it might be enough to keep Joe Ignorant HD Blow, happy. That, I can't predict.

Personally I only started getting BD over DVD. Put it this way, unless it is some crap movie that might be just for the kids, some low end comedy, then from now on I will always get the BD version. It is that much better but then again, I am not HD ignorant.

My mother is 65yo. I showed her a 1080p HD movie and even she, in all her uneducated HD glory, was awed by the clarity. If she can tell on a good source, so can most.

To finish, when HD first came out I went to have a look at a local store for a demo running. I quickly pointed out to the salesman that their demo was not HD. He said the TV and the channel it was set to was HD. I told him the TV was HD and the channel was HD but the demonstration was NOT HD because the idiot had a composite RCA video cable running from the external HD tuner to the HD TV. You cannot carry a HD signal over composite video. Ignorance is a funny thing!.

 

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arsenicazure on 03 December 2008

blu ray is good tech.. but i guess the gripe here is obvious and its price...DVD is still good value for money for most people. You can get a good player for under $100 which roughly translates to getting 10 movies with your DVD for the same cost as a standalone blu ray player.. too much difference me thinks...



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FinalEvangelion on 03 December 2008
Homeroids said:
The reality is the world is going HD. TV stations have gone HD, Gaming is going HD, home movies are going HD. Pragmatically, in the home movie space there is 2 possible ways to see HD. Download/streaming on demand or the physical media known as BD.

Timewarp back 2-3 years. HD ignorance was extremely high. HD TV's were still predominately 1080i CRT's, HD transmissions on free to air were hardly mandatory. The physical media war was about to begin and the first "HD" consoles were upon us.

The PS3 came to market too early to be used as a HD media centre. Heck, the uncertainty with BD winning over HD DVD was enough to put the educated HD person right off. We know the history behind the HD media war and why PS3 has BD.

Now the physical war has been decided. HD Ignorance is still high but as necessity bites, HD will become more relevant. 1080p TV's are now a standard rather than an option (almost) and HD is "leaking" into the general ignorant population. People are becoming more HD aware.

It's a question of when, not if. Hollywood will dump DVD as soon as they can collectively give it the big A and the big boot because one of the huge drivers behind the new formats (BD and HD DVD) was that the DVD market was saturated and the DVD market was becoming margin squeezed on profit. Hollywood have it their power to "kill" DVD tomorrow if they so wished. DVD is at the mercy of content provision just as much as BD and when BD hits a critical mass then DVD will drop off because Hollywood gets more margin on it.

WE can now debate BD vs Downloading. Downloading HD is predominately 720p with archaic audio (often stereo). It is a falsehood HD. But hey, it might be enough to keep Joe Ignorant HD Blow, happy. That, I can't predict.

Personally I only started getting BD over DVD. Put it this way, unless it is some crap movie that might be just for the kids, some low end comedy, then from now on I will always get the BD version. It is that much better but then again, I am not HD ignorant.

My mother is 65yo. I showed her a 1080p HD movie and even she, in all her uneducated HD glory, was awed by the clarity. If she can tell on a good source, so can most.

To finish, when HD first came out I went to have a look at a local store for a demo running. I quickly pointed out to the salesman that their demo was not HD. He said the TV and the channel it was set to was HD. I told him the TV was HD and the channel was HD but the demonstration was NOT HD because the idiot had a composite RCA video cable running from the external HD tuner to the HD TV. You cannot carry a HD signal over composite video. Ignorance is a funny thing!.

+1.  Best post of the thread.  The issue with BD vs DVD, is that most people can see a difference.  PS fanboys exaggerate it while Xbox/HD DVD fanboys marginalize it.  It's somewhere in between.  This BF was very successful for BD from most anecdotes.  I'm sure sales numbers will agree when they come out.  It does show that consumers are willing to pay a certain price for the difference, which isn't as much as VHS to DVD, but somewhere between. 

You can't only blame Sony for forcing this format down people's throats.  You have to blame the hollywood studios and most of the CE companies for being a part of that.  When they see something that will benefit all production / sales channel parties equally, then they jump on the bandwagon.  The new standard is 1080p, and 480i will eventually go the way of the DoDo as it's doing now.



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Million on 03 December 2008
Homeroids said:
The reality is the world is going HD. TV stations have gone HD, Gaming is going HD, home movies are going HD. Pragmatically, in the home movie space there is 2 possible ways to see HD. Download/streaming on demand or the physical media known as BD.

Timewarp back 2-3 years. HD ignorance was extremely high. HD TV's were still predominately 1080i CRT's, HD transmissions on free to air were hardly mandatory. The physical media war was about to begin and the first "HD" consoles were upon us.

The PS3 came to market too early to be used as a HD media centre. Heck, the uncertainty with BD winning over HD DVD was enough to put the educated HD person right off. We know the history behind the HD media war and why PS3 has BD.

Now the physical war has been decided. HD Ignorance is still high but as necessity bites, HD will become more relevant. 1080p TV's are now a standard rather than an option (almost) and HD is "leaking" into the general ignorant population. People are becoming more HD aware.

It's a question of when, not if. Hollywood will dump DVD as soon as they can collectively give it the big A and the big boot because one of the huge drivers behind the new formats (BD and HD DVD) was that the DVD market was saturated and the DVD market was becoming margin squeezed on profit. Hollywood have it their power to "kill" DVD tomorrow if they so wished. DVD is at the mercy of content provision just as much as BD and when BD hits a critical mass then DVD will drop off because Hollywood gets more margin on it.

WE can now debate BD vs Downloading. Downloading HD is predominately 720p with archaic audio (often stereo). It is a falsehood HD. But hey, it might be enough to keep Joe Ignorant HD Blow, happy. That, I can't predict.

Personally I only started getting BD over DVD. Put it this way, unless it is some crap movie that might be just for the kids, some low end comedy, then from now on I will always get the BD version. It is that much better but then again, I am not HD ignorant.

My mother is 65yo. I showed her a 1080p HD movie and even she, in all her uneducated HD glory, was awed by the clarity. If she can tell on a good source, so can most.

To finish, when HD first came out I went to have a look at a local store for a demo running. I quickly pointed out to the salesman that their demo was not HD. He said the TV and the channel it was set to was HD. I told him the TV was HD and the channel was HD but the demonstration was NOT HD because the idiot had a composite RCA video cable running from the external HD tuner to the HD TV. You cannot carry a HD signal over composite video. Ignorance is a funny thing!.

 

You should post more often ; quality post.