I am pretty sure Left4Dead 1st week sales are lower than that of LBP 1st week sales, so how can you assume it will outsell it?

Same for Banjo, 1st week sales are not even close, even with the fact the game costs $40 compared to LBP at $60. Once again, is it going to somehow outsell it as well? This actually makes Banjo look even worse, where is the article for that game?

He was right on all 3 if people want to use the same term "Flop" for LBP. Read the threads where people consider L4D as a GOTY candidate. People had high hopes for both of these games. Not all of course, but some did.

If people want to start throwing the term "Flop" around, I suggest they do it fairly and stop with the pick and choose scenario.

I know people here like to consider "Lost Odyssey" to not be a flop, but with how people are acting these days how could it not be considered a flop as well? How many have said "Lost Odyssey is the BEST RPG this gen"? Best of it's kind this gen, just like LBP, out 8 months longer, lower LTD sales, Flop anyone? Oh yeah, it cost more to make too.

What a fun thread.

Just to make it clear Jman, this entire post is not aimed at you. Only the discussion on L4D and Banjo sales.

 I agree wholeheartedly,  except I take offense to your last comment.  This might seem like a rant but it genuinely disturbs me when people make fun of others simply for what they like or not.

There is "nothing" wrong with haze except that it is a bit generic. All shooters are typically the same anyway (IMHO). There are no game breaking bugs in Haze as far as I know. People were disappointed because it is an exclusive and reviewers have high hopes for exclusives.

I haven't played it myself but my friends have told me that they liked it.  Don't belittle others that may not have the same experience as you in playing games. The first time you play something you really like typically stays with you.  I "really" liked final fantasy tactics the first time I played it because it had an epic story and I was surprised that it was so mature. I was just lucky that a lot of people think this way but if someone had made fun of my enjoyment I would not have liked it.

 A game is good or bad not because someone says its good or bad but because  you enjoy playing it or don't. "LOL @ the uninformed" makes NO SENSE.

I shouldn't enjoy/like a game simply because you did not happen to like it?

sapient are you really trying to compare tactics with haze by saying that it was great because it was your first game you really liked?????

how may i ask is LBP a flop?

My point was, it was the first game of its kind that I had played so it has been my favorite. When I play other similar games like Disgaea, Fire Emblem, Shining force I am less impressed. I guess I am a bit jaded now.

Most people who have not played a lot of shooters might like Haze a lot. It is only after playing so many that have come the past few years that you look at haze and think "meh" same old stuff.

well, yeah I understand, but honestly tactics was great. It has nothing to do with that kind of situation, the game is very literally better than most games ever made.

:) Thats "our" opinion. I have several friends who dislike SRPGs in general (because of their slower pace) and did not enjoy tactics when I loaned it to them.

Sales are not over. 

And because the game is good, sales will be, too.

Can we end this thread please? Hype, etc. is irrelevant. LTD sales (using this site) are as I type is at 850,000 K and doesn't even have Week 4 Others sales up yet. Unless it just stops selling its clearly going to clear 1M plus with no trouble.

I'd say anyone just jumping in to go 'oh, and LBP is a FLOP' is just Trolling as there's no way with those sales already you can remotely judge the game to have flopped based on any conventional judgment of its sales vs other PS3 titles.

Now, if people want to talk about how its sales may be disappointing based on Sony's comments prior to launch, etc. then that's fine. But simple 'It's a FLOP' with nothing to justify it is simply wasting everyone's time.