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selnor on 28 November 2008
Katilian said:
SnowWhitesDrug said:
yeah i know how to change the resolution on the 360, its set to out put a 1080 signal and the tv says its receiving a 1080 signal, but even the 360s main menu screen is displaying an upscaled 720p image :( the ps3 is crisp with pixel perfect pictures. The 360 games I own all say on the back that they support 1080p, does the 360 just upscale alot of its games?

The difference between 480p and 720p is AMAZING! so much so I dread playing my wii now, But its only a difference that you can see on a HD tv, on a standard def tv you cant tell any difference. 480 to 1080 makes 480 look like an abomination!

Pretty much. The 360 hardware isn't powerful enough to do most games at 1080p. Add on to this that the frame buffer isn't large enough to render 1920x1080 with double buffering, so rendering at 1080p would cause flickering.

That said, Halo 3 renders 2 frames at 1152x640, the merges them to perform HDR, which shows the system has a decent amount of power. But even then that is still only 3/4 of the pixels in 1080p. Halo 3 says 1080p on the box, so this is definitely proof that games which say they do 1080p can be upscaled.

 

I have to stop this person very quickly from the rubbish that they are touting. Nearly all PS3 and 360's games are not native 1080p. There is a select few that are actually native 1080p. Firstly the 360 has an upscaler chip, it is the best console on the market for upscaling pictures to 1080p. (the PS3 has to use software).

I have no problem getting 1080p coming through fine. I really dont understand how you are getting your problem. But on my TV there is a noticeable improvement when in 1080p than 720p. Also the dashboard should definately look awesome in 1080p. I cant really answer your problem, all I can say is mine looks great.

 



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SnowWhitesDrug on 28 November 2008

aww thats a shame, My dashboard looks a tad pixely near the controler buttons down the bottom and the text isnt crisp like it is on a computer or ps3. But in games the text is very nice. but when you sit far enough back you dont notice it. I will just deal with it, im happy to know theres nothing wrong with the console though! :) thanks for all your help every one! XD



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prlatino86 on 28 November 2008
selnor said:
Katilian said:
SnowWhitesDrug said:
yeah i know how to change the resolution on the 360, its set to out put a 1080 signal and the tv says its receiving a 1080 signal, but even the 360s main menu screen is displaying an upscaled 720p image :( the ps3 is crisp with pixel perfect pictures. The 360 games I own all say on the back that they support 1080p, does the 360 just upscale alot of its games?

The difference between 480p and 720p is AMAZING! so much so I dread playing my wii now, But its only a difference that you can see on a HD tv, on a standard def tv you cant tell any difference. 480 to 1080 makes 480 look like an abomination!

Pretty much. The 360 hardware isn't powerful enough to do most games at 1080p. Add on to this that the frame buffer isn't large enough to render 1920x1080 with double buffering, so rendering at 1080p would cause flickering.

That said, Halo 3 renders 2 frames at 1152x640, the merges them to perform HDR, which shows the system has a decent amount of power. But even then that is still only 3/4 of the pixels in 1080p. Halo 3 says 1080p on the box, so this is definitely proof that games which say they do 1080p can be upscaled.

 

I have to stop this person very quickly from the rubbish that they are touting. Nearly all PS3 and 360's games are not native 1080p. There is a select few that are actually native 1080p. Firstly the 360 has an upscaler chip, it is the best console on the market for upscaling pictures to 1080p. (the PS3 has to use software).

I have no problem getting 1080p coming through fine. I really dont understand how you are getting your problem. But on my TV there is a noticeable improvement when in 1080p than 720p. Also the dashboard should definately look awesome in 1080p. I cant really answer your problem, all I can say is mine looks great.

 

 

im confused, cuz i have to agree with seinor. Arent most PS3 games just upscaled? i dont think ive noticed any of my games for ps3 that say they are rendered in 1080p on the back of the case except for a select few. Could be the way the systems display. I do notice that my PS3s text tend to be sharper then my xboxs, but that doesnt necessarily mean that the xbox doesnt run natively 1080p, just could be they went for a softer appearence in the font rather then a sharper one.



SnowWhitesDrug on 28 November 2008

wells theres a difference betwene a softer font and a font thats being slightly distorted due to it being unevenly stretched over a different number of pixels. Black on white font works fine but on the xbox dashboard they have gone a little fancier and so you notice the slight distortion. If you had never seen something that looked better then it you wouldnt notice the problem. But if you do then you will notice it. Like now I wish the wii at least displayed 720p because its graphics just wash out majorly on a bigger screen when compared to the crispness of the HD consoles and PC



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greenmedic88 on 28 November 2008
selnor said:
Katilian said:
SnowWhitesDrug said:
yeah i know how to change the resolution on the 360, its set to out put a 1080 signal and the tv says its receiving a 1080 signal, but even the 360s main menu screen is displaying an upscaled 720p image :( the ps3 is crisp with pixel perfect pictures. The 360 games I own all say on the back that they support 1080p, does the 360 just upscale alot of its games?

The difference between 480p and 720p is AMAZING! so much so I dread playing my wii now, But its only a difference that you can see on a HD tv, on a standard def tv you cant tell any difference. 480 to 1080 makes 480 look like an abomination!

Pretty much. The 360 hardware isn't powerful enough to do most games at 1080p. Add on to this that the frame buffer isn't large enough to render 1920x1080 with double buffering, so rendering at 1080p would cause flickering.

That said, Halo 3 renders 2 frames at 1152x640, the merges them to perform HDR, which shows the system has a decent amount of power. But even then that is still only 3/4 of the pixels in 1080p. Halo 3 says 1080p on the box, so this is definitely proof that games which say they do 1080p can be upscaled.

 

I have to stop this person very quickly from the rubbish that they are touting. Nearly all PS3 and 360's games are not native 1080p. There is a select few that are actually native 1080p. Firstly the 360 has an upscaler chip, it is the best console on the market for upscaling pictures to 1080p. (the PS3 has to use software).

I have no problem getting 1080p coming through fine. I really dont understand how you are getting your problem. But on my TV there is a noticeable improvement when in 1080p than 720p. Also the dashboard should definately look awesome in 1080p. I cant really answer your problem, all I can say is mine looks great.

 

And I have to stop you right there. Upscaler chip or no, the 360 does a worse job of upscaling than the PS3, regardless of what 1080p screen the player is using.

Watch a DVD via HDMI cable on the 360 to view the 1080p upscaled image. Then do the same on a PS3. There is no question that the upscaler chip in the 360 does a worse job of upscaling video than the PS3. In addition to producing a softer image, the 360 also has some serious de-interlacing issues with upscaled video.

About the only video that looks extremely clean on the 360 is from HD-DVD playback.

From a games perspective, it's more or less a wash with 1080p native games (the small handful on either) on both systems looking equally sharp. Personally, I find that most 360 games look better being displayed at 1280x720 (native resolution) rather than upscaled as the image is sharper (with the trade off of some pixel stepping).

As for Dashboard, it is rendered at 1280x720 as mentioned in a previous post and then upscaled to 1080p, hence the softness of GUI. It's easily noticeable on both small text (ie. "latest games") and on virtually all of the "My Xbox" icons: the edges of the Open disc icon, the Windows Media Center icon, etc. It's pretty obvious to anyone who knows the difference.

 



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greenmedic88 on 28 November 2008
SnowWhitesDrug said:
aww thats a shame, My dashboard looks a tad pixely near the controler buttons down the bottom and the text isnt crisp like it is on a computer or ps3. But in games the text is very nice. but when you sit far enough back you dont notice it. I will just deal with it, im happy to know theres nothing wrong with the console though! :) thanks for all your help every one! XD

It's not you, it's not your console, and it's not your set.

As it's been mentioned, dashboard is rendered at 1280x720. Upscaling it to 1080p via the 360's default video settings will result in a softer image (it shouldn't look pixelated).

So there's nothing wrong with your set up. Just sit back further, or if it's really bothering you, set the console output for 1280x720 for a sharper, albeit more pixelated image. It will never look as pixel for pixel sharp as the XMB interface which is rendered at 1920x1080.

 



kabhold on 28 November 2008
SnowWhitesDrug said:
I'm not sure what your last message means ozsman lol :p

 

some channels broadcast at 720p, some at 1080i.



SnowWhitesDrug on 28 November 2008
greenmedic88 said:
SnowWhitesDrug said:
aww thats a shame, My dashboard looks a tad pixely near the controler buttons down the bottom and the text isnt crisp like it is on a computer or ps3. But in games the text is very nice. but when you sit far enough back you dont notice it. I will just deal with it, im happy to know theres nothing wrong with the console though! :) thanks for all your help every one! XD

It's not you, it's not your console, and it's not your set.

As it's been mentioned, dashboard is rendered at 1280x720. Upscaling it to 1080p via the 360's default video settings will result in a softer image (it shouldn't look pixelated).

So there's nothing wrong with your set up. Just sit back further, or if it's really bothering you, set the console output for 1280x720 for a sharper, albeit more pixelated image. It will never look as pixel for pixel sharp as the XMB interface which is rendered at 1920x1080.

 

 XD I'll tell you I was a little disapointed when this all happened, I was expecting something like my pc resolution but on the big screen but now I know I had some misconceptions I'm quite fine with it :D I would have hated it if there was a compatibility problem and I was stuck with not being able to put the console to its limits(getting the most out of it is what I wanted), but now I know everything is just as it's suposed to be so its all good and I'm glad, and I really apreciate every ones input :) and the HD consoles rock! but shhh, dont tell any of the nintendo fan boys cos I kinda used to be one hehe



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goddog on 28 November 2008
greenmedic88 said:
selnor said:
Katilian said:
SnowWhitesDrug said:
yeah i know how to change the resolution on the 360, its set to out put a 1080 signal and the tv says its receiving a 1080 signal, but even the 360s main menu screen is displaying an upscaled 720p image :( the ps3 is crisp with pixel perfect pictures. The 360 games I own all say on the back that they support 1080p, does the 360 just upscale alot of its games?

The difference between 480p and 720p is AMAZING! so much so I dread playing my wii now, But its only a difference that you can see on a HD tv, on a standard def tv you cant tell any difference. 480 to 1080 makes 480 look like an abomination!

Pretty much. The 360 hardware isn't powerful enough to do most games at 1080p. Add on to this that the frame buffer isn't large enough to render 1920x1080 with double buffering, so rendering at 1080p would cause flickering.

That said, Halo 3 renders 2 frames at 1152x640, the merges them to perform HDR, which shows the system has a decent amount of power. But even then that is still only 3/4 of the pixels in 1080p. Halo 3 says 1080p on the box, so this is definitely proof that games which say they do 1080p can be upscaled.

 

I have to stop this person very quickly from the rubbish that they are touting. Nearly all PS3 and 360's games are not native 1080p. There is a select few that are actually native 1080p. Firstly the 360 has an upscaler chip, it is the best console on the market for upscaling pictures to 1080p. (the PS3 has to use software).

I have no problem getting 1080p coming through fine. I really dont understand how you are getting your problem. But on my TV there is a noticeable improvement when in 1080p than 720p. Also the dashboard should definately look awesome in 1080p. I cant really answer your problem, all I can say is mine looks great.

 

And I have to stop you right there. Upscaler chip or no, the 360 does a worse job of upscaling than the PS3, regardless of what 1080p screen the player is using.

Watch a DVD via HDMI cable on the 360 to view the 1080p upscaled image. Then do the same on a PS3. There is no question that the upscaler chip in the 360 does a worse job of upscaling video than the PS3. In addition to producing a softer image, the 360 also has some serious de-interlacing issues with upscaled video.

About the only video that looks extremely clean on the 360 is from HD-DVD playback.

From a games perspective, it's more or less a wash with 1080p native games (the small handful on either) on both systems looking equally sharp. Personally, I find that most 360 games look better being displayed at 1280x720 (native resolution) rather than upscaled as the image is sharper (with the trade off of some pixel stepping).

As for Dashboard, it is rendered at 1280x720 as mentioned in a previous post and then upscaled to 1080p, hence the softness of GUI. It's easily noticeable on both small text (ie. "latest games") and on virtually all of the "My Xbox" icons: the edges of the Open disc icon, the Windows Media Center icon, etc. It's pretty obvious to anyone who knows the difference.

 

the upscaler in the 360 vs ps3, is open to debate, haveing used both, id say the 360s is a better solution, and better quality, with the ability to display all resolutions that the tv connected to it is capable of using. the most crucial is that last point, as the ps3 can not use 1080i scaling for a large number of tvs. 

 



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Mistershine on 28 November 2008
greenmedic88 said:

And I have to stop you right there. Upscaler chip or no, the 360 does a worse job of upscaling than the PS3, regardless of what 1080p screen the player is using.

Watch a DVD via HDMI cable on the 360 to view the 1080p upscaled image. Then do the same on a PS3. There is no question that the upscaler chip in the 360 does a worse job of upscaling video than the PS3. In addition to producing a softer image, the 360 also has some serious de-interlacing issues with upscaled video.

The 360 is crap at DVD playback full stop, so using that to show inadequacies in scaling is a poor choice.

The inclusion of Ana/Hana in the 360 was a good move from MS, as the chip itself is a very capable scaler, and able to do it's job with 0 help from the CPU to avoid a performance hit.