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It really depends on the size of the cut. If it's 100$ then the increase will be huge.



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Pristine20 said:

@ OP

It doesn't make sense. A price cut right now is impossible with sony's current financials but saying a price cut won't help them saleswise is a bit strange to me especially with the 360's current sales boost.

Cheap prices make people think less before they buy. I honestly won't be watching game reviews on gametrailers if games cost $20 not $60. Cheaper prices would sell anything. It's simple economics.

 

I'm the OP and I suggest you read the whole OP.

Of course it will help them sales-wise. But it will help them just to the degree it will help them in the UK and in the US. I.e. it will not help them to regain this absolute "only game in town" position they had before. They will never be the only game in town anymore.



Prediction made on 11/1/2008:

Q4 2008: 27M xbox LTD, 20M PS3 LTD . 2009 sales: 11M xbox,  9M PS3

360 is back in the game....



Talk about having a one track mind. There are a great many obsessive posters in this thread that are utterly enamored with the price point debate. So much so that they have completely overlooked what the original poster is postulating. The original poster is addressing public perception. More specifically an increased appreciation for the 360, or an erosion of a product bias.

Throughout this generation often argued by Sony loyalists the name recognition of Sony within Europe ensured an unfair bias against Microsoft. Let me say that again an unfair advantage. The typical European gamer was going to buy the PS3 for no other reason than brand recognition and brand loyalty.

The original poster is providing rather startling numbers of radical increases in markets where the 360 was dead due to this factor. Those numbers cannot wholly be attributed to a new lower price point. Especially since Microsoft enjoyed a lower price point all along. There must be a public perception change. Something that was not considered viable before as an entertainment device is beginning to be seen as viable by consumers. Price alone cannot do that.

In the final analysis the original poster is probably correct. Microsoft has eroded the bias levied against their console. Which was probably inevitable. You swing at a wall long enough, and eventually you are going to start knocking that wall down. Microsoft just needed to keep competing on merit until it obtained the recognition it deserved. Just like any company seeking entry into a hostile market it really is a matter of time and dedication.

What does this mean for the console war in Europe. Well the one thing that is probably true is that Sony has lost much of that unfair advantage that it was abusing. Now they are going to have more of an equitable confrontation. That means the PS3 will not just win, because it is Sony even with a lower price point. Sony will need to compete more on basis of merit.

For those mocking the original poster I ask you to rationalize how the hell can Spain be seeing a 437% year over year increase due only to a lower price point. That is an unprecedented shift, and it can only mean that the Sony loyalists were correct. The 360 was being held back from having success due to a bias. Obviously that bias must have greatly weakened for the 360 to break it out like that.



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amirnetz said:

A PS3 price cut, even as deep as $100 and as early as March cannot turn the wheels of time backward in the race against the 360. Something irreversible happened in the last 3 months in Continental Europe and no price cut is going to change it:

The 360 had become socially acceptable in the continent.

To appreciate the importance and the magnitude of the transition in continental Europe we have to look at the numbers and recall history.

Microsoft and the 360 have a very painful and frustrating experience in continental Europe. The original Xbox was a flop and sold very little in the region. The 360, even through it had two holidays seasons as the sole HD console in the market (holidays 2005 and 2006 - before the release of the PS3) gained very little traction. The Europeans displayed such a strong bias against the 360 that it came in last even when it was the only console in the race.

The Europeans simply snubbed the 360, especially in the continent (the UK is another story). Sony ruled Europe in the previous generation and the Europeans seemed to be hell bent on waiting for the new PS3 rather than take a risk on Microsoft's new console. Even when the high launch price points of the PS3 were already known in xmas 2006, the Europeans decided to skip the much cheaper 360 and wait for the spring launch of Sony's new console.

The result - measly sales of the 360 through its first two xmas seasons.

In 2007 the PS3 is already in the market and is crashing the 360 sales in Europe. The 360 can barely hold to its prior year sales and is being outsold by the PS3 by a wide margin. Continental Europe seems to be boldly declaring that the 360 is not welcomed..

Fast-forward to fall 2008. Microsoft, with a series of price cuts reintroduces the Arcade at a $200 price point in late September. The company reports soon after that the model sales are increased six fold. Change is in the air, something big is going to happen in Q4.

Indeed looking at the 360 sales for the first 8 weeks of Q4 we find an astonishing change:

Console

2006

2007

2008

Growth 2008/2007

UK

113,267

126,658

274,391

117%

France

57,662

34,488

128,958

274%

Germany

26,277

26,212

108,745

315%

Spain

13,298

25,304

135,972

437%

Italy

18,406

26,594

116,614

338%

Scandinavia

18,496

25,330

60,238

138%

Other Europe

29,669

39,249

128,993

229%

 

 

 

 

 

Total Sales

277,075

303,835

953,911

214%

 

 

 

 

 

Total Continental Sales

163,808

177,177

679,520

284%

The floodgates opened. The sales in continental Europe grew to four-fold over the same period in 2007 and 2006. No other region in the world showed such a growth for the 360 this fall. Not even close.

This is a see of change. The Europeans, who stood like the Atlantic wall preventing the 360 invasion to the continent, have crossed the lines and are now endorsing the 360 in their masses.

Yes, the price point was the trigger for the change. But it is much deeper than that. The 360 is now acknowledged by continental Europe to be a solid and safe choice. It is clear to the European that it is not going to flop like the original xbox and that its library of titles is valued as great. Suddenly you don't have to apologize to your friends why you bought a 360. It became cool to own one. If not cool, at least a safe bargain and not a risky bet anymore.

Once the 360 acceptance happened, it was irreversible. The bias against the 360 is gone forever. The PS3 can and will drop its prices, but from now on the PS3 and the 360 will be evaluated on their merits without the original bias that hampered the success of the 360 for its first 3 years in Europe.

No more walk in the continental park for the PS3, with or without a price cut.

Makes sense?

 

the price cut will help a bit but its the GAMES that really will....no point in buying a system with no good games......




@jpespinal

Well if that were true, the wii wouldnt be in 1st place.



 

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Dodece said:
Talk about having a one track mind. There are a great many obsessive posters in this thread that are utterly enamored with the price point debate. So much so that they have completely overlooked what the original poster is postulating. The original poster is addressing public perception. More specifically an increased appreciation for the 360, or an erosion of a product bias.

Throughout this generation often argued by Sony loyalists the name recognition of Sony within Europe ensured an unfair bias against Microsoft. Let me say that again an unfair advantage. The typical European gamer was going to buy the PS3 for no other reason than brand recognition and brand loyalty.

The original poster is providing rather startling numbers of radical increases in markets where the 360 was dead due to this factor. Those numbers cannot wholly be attributed to a new lower price point. Especially since Microsoft enjoyed a lower price point all along. There must be a public perception change. Something that was not considered viable before as an entertainment device is beginning to be seen as viable by consumers. Price alone cannot do that.

In the final analysis the original poster is probably correct. Microsoft has eroded the bias levied against their console. Which was probably inevitable. You swing at a wall long enough, and eventually you are going to start knocking that wall down. Microsoft just needed to keep competing on merit until it obtained the recognition it deserved. Just like any company seeking entry into a hostile market it really is a matter of time and dedication.

What does this mean for the console war in Europe. Well the one thing that is probably true is that Sony has lost much of that unfair advantage that it was abusing. Now they are going to have more of an equitable confrontation. That means the PS3 will not just win, because it is Sony even with a lower price point. Sony will need to compete more on basis of merit.

For those mocking the original poster I ask you to rationalize how the hell can Spain be seeing a 437% year over year increase due only to a lower price point. That is an unprecedented shift, and it can only mean that the Sony loyalists were correct. The 360 was being held back from having success due to a bias. Obviously that bias must have greatly weakened for the 360 to break it out like that.

Thank you Dodece. I can see that at least one reader is actually reading the full OP and trying to actually understand what is the OP proposition before posting a response. I appreciate it. There is still hope for humanity.

 



Prediction made on 11/1/2008:

Q4 2008: 27M xbox LTD, 20M PS3 LTD . 2009 sales: 11M xbox,  9M PS3

leo-j said:
@jpespinal

Well if that were true, the wii wouldnt be in 1st place.

No, if all people were exactly like Leo-J and shared all his views and games were all that mattered, the Wii wouldn't be in 1st place.

Right now, you could in a way say that who won depended on who had the game, not the games.

 



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