Diomedes this is your last warning.

America and Japan numbers have been updated and verified by professional tracking firms such as NPD, Media Create, etc.

Others data is updated less frequently because the data doesn't come out as often but it's still pretty close.

And VGChartz says 3.66 million as of the end of June. Sony says 4.28 million as of the end of June. So do you seriously think there's an extra 600,000 sold in Europe or elsewhere that isn't being counted? Or can you just accept the fact that the financial report only actually said "sold" and never mentioned consumers, which if you have any business sense at all in that context means sold to their direct customers which is *retail*.

This is the last time it's being spelled out for you, if I see you running around claiming that 4.28 million number was really sold to consumers again you're getting a 1-month ban.

Actually i'm 70% sure they specifically say sold to retailers in the finanical report.  It's just they say it in the beggining which everyone probably just skimmed through.

 Obviously your assumption is wrong. We don't know how many of those 5.5M units produced in 2006 are "old-style 60G units", but a good guess is there should be at least 0.5-1.0M units still warehoused. And of course Sony is going to ship them all out. The number of units in stores around june 30 is, however, remarkably low...

The 60GB is still being sold in Japan and EU so i think the remaining 60GB units that are in the 1.2M that are still in the warehouses will be sent there.

the one thing im wonder though is ok 4.28m sold. The produced 5.5 million in March. We have 4.01m sold to customers. Does this mean that there 5.76m in warehouses and in retailer stores? Thats what im trying to figure out why they said it that way.

Why not "We produced a total of 9.78m so far and have sold them all to retailers" or something like that.

The thing is I thought Sony could have teamed up with the NDP to track actual sales. So did they get that information straight from the NDP and actually stated roughly how many was sold to cumstomers? I know this is 95% unlikely but think about they way they said it and I do believe it was to retailers but I wonder if it is possible that it could be to customers.

You're actually threating a ban because he is incorrect in the way he interprets numbers? Geez if that isn't all high and mighty of you. I thought bans were for trolling and doing obvious anti forum social behaviour. Not just being incorrect. Wow i better check my predictions.

agree it is annoying, but, ban-able? cmon.

If you provided a link this would be more credible .I just read this new in some sites as playfrance and others  and it said explicitly "sold to customers " .

Remember when David Reeves gave the 1.05 million sold in Europe ?Well ,it was sold to customers and he said also that they had shipped some 1.54 million in PAl region .So ,back in early june it was ,at least as Sony is concerned , 1.54 shipped and 1.05 sold .You ,or me ,can be dubious about this numbers or think they dont reflect reality ...but pretending they are saying other thing that they actually are doesnt change a thing .They may be telling lies ,they may be telling truth ,they may be doing themselves publicity ...but they were giving shipped/sold to customers numbers separated.

DKII ,in fact I am more in line with vgchartz numbers that with Sony ones .I think you are somewhat off in Europe but by a very acceptable margin .I dont believe the Starter Pack has only sold 1k more consoles in Europe its launch week ,but I know once you have better data you will fix this most probably .So I dont have any problem with this  .I know you have some access to good sources ,but dont forget Sony 100% sure  pays to have the full disclosure of NPD ,MC ,Gfk and gamecharts info .I would give the PS3 4.11 million or so ,not the 4.28+4 weeks sales that Sony would account .So ,I am more in line with vgchartz numbers that with Sony ones by a great degree .

I can accept Sony is giving themselves some publicity inflating somewhat the numbers or more credible by using statistic approachs that shed the more positive light posible on the sales .

The only problem I have right now is why some mods and users of this site are so agressive trying to impose a vision about what the new account method of Sony is .I read the clarifications of Sony ,I did read some webpages speaking of it ....and yet this is the only place I have seen this "Sony until now accounted consoles in warehouses and now accounts consoles in shops " approach .Since years ago the "shipped=consoles sold to retailers " as been the know modus operandi of Sony and others ,and the year before each and every poster of this site would say the same .Now that they are saying they no longer account the shipped but the sold consoles it is unnecesary to introduce and intermediary step that makes "sold=shipped for Sony " .I dont know if I expressed myself well ,as ioi says english isnt my native language .

I am not saying 4.28 have been sold to customers or not .They will or wont be ,what we say or not is irrelevant to the matter .In fact I think they werent when Sony told that ,and maybe only next week (one month and one week later ) they will reach near that number.So I am more in line with your numbers .But that doesnt change the fact that Sony told it was sold to customers ,lying or whatever but it said it .As examples

http://www.playfrance.com/news-infos-4-5-millions-de-playstation-3-vendues-dans-le-monde-325657.html

So dont tell me I am saying 4.28 sold and not shipped  .I only say Sony said that .I dont support that number, they were lying if you wish  ,but I dont like that some people insist so strongly in making me believe Sony new account method is other thing that what they said .In any case they  could lie anyway so whats the problem ? 

Current numbers are obviously open to some speculation. But anything a month or two in the past, especially in North America and Japan, is very solid. And there's a 620,000 discrepancy between the 4.28 million Sony said they sold and the 3.66 million we say they sold, and that's not because we're wrong, but because we're reporting two different things -- 4.28 million sold to retail, 3.66 million sold to customers.

I think a lot of this confusion comes from foreign sites not translating the financial report properly.

Launch to date totals for the PS3:

At the end of March 2007:
5.5 million produced
3.6 million sold to retail (1.9 million in transit/in Sony warehouses)
2.8 million sold to customers (800,000 on retailer shelves or on their way there)

At the end of June 2007:
6.6 million produced
4.3 million sold to retail (2.3 million in transit/in Sony warehouses)
3.7 million sold to customers (600,000 on retailer shelves or on their way there)

That's as detailed a breakdown as I can give and it all comes directly from each of the respective financial reports and the data available here. Our data for back then is pretty good by now, even for Europe as they've released quarterly data reports for many regions now too.

superchunk it just comes off as him seemingly intentionally posting false/misleading information to get a rise out of people, that's still trolling even if it isn't of the console/fanboy variety. :p

could you at least answer what I asked about.. because this isnt adding up in my head... and I understand that its to retailers, its confusing me how they said that darn thing...

Edit: DKII explained it