Aw, give me a break. 13 months ago you were going off about how PS3s manufactured at that time were already profitable. Confirmation is still nowhere to be seen.

Yep Nintendo have the software and better interface and games which allows them to Whip the X360 in sales - and they sell at a profit - MS must be bleeding alot of $$ to sell the 60G for under the price of a Wii - Still right this week the X360 is doing awesone Software sales so overall MS are just growing their market and not loosing alot, which is good when considering their antiquated interface compared with the Wii. Nintendo are doing stellar sales and profits.
Sony trailing along in 3rd they have fallen from first place to 3rd , MS holding at 2nd and Nintendo are light years ahead at 1.

Well I bought a 60gb Premium with Fallout 3 and Pro Evo for £190. That's £10 more than I paid for my Wii at launch. I also had the alternative of getting it with Sega Superstar Tennis and some other silly game for £170 or getting the Premium with Fable 2 for £170. Don't think it gets anymore aggressive than that.

Don't think it's MS who bleed all the money, it's more likely the retailers who do just so they can get more costumers, and maybe earn a bit of money buy selling games instead.

And with that he's never gonna be seen in the thread again.

Reread what I wrote then and now and don't jump to false conclusions. I've never said PS3 was profitable. I said PS3s manufactured for Europe at that time (estimate mf costs around $380) were profitable on the manufacturing level (with av. sales price $600 over Europe).

Bitmap Frogs: Obviously you have no experience in industrial mass manufacturing processes, so don't comment on other people's contributions (particularly if they do have those experiences).

Xmas sales of X360 in all regions will be huge due to its attractive price tag and large games library. However the Wii will sell more than double X360 due to the Wii's more wider appeal to children, casuals and all females. X360 and PS3 are targeted mainly at selling to young males.

The link you provided only seems to shows that MS went from a three phase to a two phase power regulator circuit. Saves you two mosfets/capacitors/coils = $2 on the new motherboards, if you really wanted to know.

What you really want to know is what any fab is never going to tell you. Imagine a machine where you put in a wafer and $10'000 on one end and on the other end, you get chips out. Die sizes are known for the chips so you can approximately calculate how many chips fall out of the other end. How many of those chips are actually working? They're not going to tell you. From the initial runs of cell processor chips, IBM was quoted at around 14% for 8 SPE chips and around 34% for 7 SPE chips (the ones used in the PS3). Rumour has it that initial runs of X360 processor chips were even lower than for cell chips... Technically, all "big chips" used in the PS3/XBox should not cost more than $40 to manufacture once the problems are solved.

muahahaha yes! Like I was saying the other day the 360 is better value for money then a wii now! The day after I head about the new bundle I was out there first thing in the morning, 9am on the dot! and boy am I glad! I never really cared about HD consoles because of the price but goodness, I cant believe I payed $399AU for my wii now that the 360 is THE SAME PRICE WITH GAMES!

In Australia we get the 60 gig with assassins creed, kung fu panda and indiana jones, and then I got a new remote and viva pinata and forza 2 for another $100AU making my total package like $500!!!! I only got the wii and zelda for that price! n their still that price! madness!