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bdbdbd said:
@Esa-Petteri: Your point was presented with no logic.

Show me a good minigame collection on PS3 or 360 and i judge it by the game (outside LBP). The point was, the games that have been put effort into, sell on all consoles. We have a number of titles on Wii, that aren't minigames and have sold in large numbers. There also aren't coming out many minigames anymore, could it be because of the "birdmen" that were after easy money and noticed that there aren't easy money to be made.

Wii Sports and Wii Fit are disruptive or blue ocean software, where the "minigame collection" meme doesn't really work. They aren't selling because they are minigames, they are selling despite being minigame collections.

The next big seller on Wii is a game with Tom Nook.

Now, what you did, was pick a number of minigames and dismiss everything important and basically everything outside minigames. Basically that's the thing Reggie was talking about. DS should give an implication to devs and publishers, what kind of strategy they should be using. The thing that pisses 3rd parties is, that if they play the strategy, it's helping Nintendo and if they don't, it's damaging themselves and helps Nintendo.

But, there's one valid reason, why 3rd parties don't want to "get" Wii, that remotedly relates to what Ail said, and that is 3rd parties wanting power from the 1st parties for themselves. The SNES/Megadrive era was best for 3rd parties, every other generation have been shit to them with 1st parties telling how and what to do. 3rd parties want the 1st parties to fight over the 3rd party support.

Sorry, I don't consider minigame collections good. But some people at vgc forums are saying that RRR is a good game. So,

 

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Bringing that kind of game to wii is a smart idea, bringing it to 360 not. Guess which console will be getting RRR 3,4,5? ;) Anyway, of course there are other kind of games that have sold well on wii. But the top 3 selling nintendo games are minigame collections. You can use your "maelstrom" logic as much as you want, but that won't change the fact that those "birdmen" have made a lot of money with very little effort. Your blue ocean meme does not work.

 

Actually I just picked the top 10 selling wii third party games. It is not my fault that most of them are minigame collections.

Oh and by that ds-thing you meant that... third party devs should bring games like mario&sonic, cooking mama1/2,mysims,imagine:stuff,sonic rush on wii? I think they have done that. That kind of stuff sells on ds and yes, I ignored few square-enix rpg:s. They will come later on wii, of course. :)

Rift?

 



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...Wii Sports and Wii Fit are not minigame collections.

That statement is daft.



Khuutra said:
...Wii Sports and Wii Fit are not minigame collections.

That statement is daft.

Care to explain that and preferably define your interpretation of the term "minigame collection"?



Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:
...Wii Sports and Wii Fit are not minigame collections.

That statement is daft.

Care to explain that and preferably define your interpretation of the term "minigame collection"?

 

You're confusing alternative modes of play (Wii Sports) with minigames, which tend to be extremely simple and short novelty-based gameplay segments. It's a fine line, bu in this case Wii Sports is way on the other side, especially with the depth of stat tracking you can do in it.

Wii Fit is no more a "minigame collection" than a Tae Bo video is.



Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:
...Wii Sports and Wii Fit are not minigame collections.

That statement is daft.

Care to explain that and preferably define your interpretation of the term "minigame collection"?

 

You're confusing alternative modes of play (Wii Sports) with minigames, which tend to be extremely simple and short novelty-based gameplay segments. It's a fine line, bu in this case Wii Sports is way on the other side, especially with the depth of stat tracking you can do in it.

Wii Fit is no more a "minigame collection" than a Tae Bo video is.

Umm. No.

That is your opinion. In my opinion wii sports is all about "extremely simple and short novelty based gameplay segments". Wii fit? Haven't ever played that, but judging by wikipedia it is a compilation of that kind of games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Fit

 



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Esa-Petteri? WarioWare is a minigame collection..

WiiFit and WiiSports are not..sadly..they are actually a bunch of games together..

or should I say Resistance is a minigame collection also? it has multiplayer and single player

OHNOEZ!!! two different games in one?!

KZ2=minigame collection confirmed?!



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Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:
...Wii Sports and Wii Fit are not minigame collections.

That statement is daft.

Care to explain that and preferably define your interpretation of the term "minigame collection"?

 

You're confusing alternative modes of play (Wii Sports) with minigames, which tend to be extremely simple and short novelty-based gameplay segments. It's a fine line, bu in this case Wii Sports is way on the other side, especially with the depth of stat tracking you can do in it.

Wii Fit is no more a "minigame collection" than a Tae Bo video is.

Umm. No.

That is your opinion. In my opinion wii sports is all about "extremely simple and short novelty based gameplay segments". Wii fit? Haven't ever played that, but judging by wikipedia it is a compilation of that kind of games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Fit

 

 

Yeah, "opinion" isn't a shield you can hide behind when you're so blatantly wrong. if you are going to equate Wii Tennis and Wii Baseball with the minigames in Raving Rabbids, you are as wrong as wong can be. That's just a fact.

And those are called exercises. If Wii Fit didn't have many forms of exercise it would be a pretty crappy piece of exercising equipment. And that's what you do with it: exercise.



I go by the actual definition of minigame: "A small game within a larger game." Geometry Wars was a minigame at first, but now that it's a standalone game, it is no longer a minigame. Fishing or archery are minigames within Legend of Zelda games, just like having sex is a minigame within God of War. GTA games are full of minigames, but they're sandbox games, not minigame collections.

A collection of minigames is something like American Gladiators, Fuzion Frenzy, Wii Play, or Carnival Games.

Wii Sports is not minigames in the same way that the Orange Box is not a collection of minigames. They are both 5-in-1 games. Simply having 5 games at once does not make them minigames.

Clubhouse Games is not a collection of minigames unless you'd call chess a minigame. Compiling games that can stand on their own does not make them minigames.

Wii Fit is not a collection of minigames. It is an exercise game. It has some games in it too, but they serve the purpose of improving your balance and posture. Outside of those it's all push-ups, sit-ups, jogging, and yoga. Those are definitely not minigames.

I'd say a game that walks the line between games and minigames is the Mario Party series. It's a board game built out of minigames. If you play the minigames on their own, it's a collection of minigames. But if you play the main game with your friends, it's a board game, and if you play it drunk, it's one of the best drinking games around.

@all haters of minigames, would you call Tetris a minigame? Would you call Tetris DS (a collection of several new versions of Tetris) a collection of minigames? Also, would you call Super Mario Bros. a minigame? Would you call Super Mario All-Stars (a collection of several SMB games) a collection of minigames? So what is a minigame? I'm really curious what YOUR definitions are.



Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:
Esa-Petteri said:
Khuutra said:
...Wii Sports and Wii Fit are not minigame collections.

That statement is daft.

Care to explain that and preferably define your interpretation of the term "minigame collection"?

 

You're confusing alternative modes of play (Wii Sports) with minigames, which tend to be extremely simple and short novelty-based gameplay segments. It's a fine line, bu in this case Wii Sports is way on the other side, especially with the depth of stat tracking you can do in it.

Wii Fit is no more a "minigame collection" than a Tae Bo video is.

Umm. No.

That is your opinion. In my opinion wii sports is all about "extremely simple and short novelty based gameplay segments". Wii fit? Haven't ever played that, but judging by wikipedia it is a compilation of that kind of games.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wii_Fit

 

 

Yeah, "opinion" isn't a shield you can hide behind when you're so blatantly wrong. if you are going to equate Wii Tennis and Wii Baseball with the minigames in Raving Rabbids, you are as wrong as wong can be. That's just a fact.

And those are called exercises. If Wii Fit didn't have many forms of exercise it would be a pretty crappy piece of exercising equipment. And that's what you do with it: exercise.

I see. You are the one who is wrong here, sorry. :) Also I find it very amusing when you represent your opinions as facts.

So are you saying that wii fit is not a game?