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Killergran on 19 November 2008

The most powerful console next generation might very well be the PS3.



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CAL4M1TY on 19 November 2008
Kantor said:

To quote the IGN review,

Gears 2 graphics score- 9.5

MGS4 graphics score- 10

Granted I haven't seen Gears of War 2 in action yet, I have no doubt that it has the best graphics on 360, but I honestly don't see any graphics feasibly being better than MGS4, short of Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5. You know what? This calls for a comparison shot.

There's another thing. Even if Gears 2's graphics were better than MGS4, they would be nowhere NEAR GT5.

 

 

Aside from all of your opinions being subjective (in which case, as wrong as each others), we won't know which game is graphically better until we get a textures on screen and frames per second count (exact amounts, not PR numbers) for both Gears and Metal Gear Solid 4.

Also, "Because IGN said so", well done, you've brought yourself (and us for reading it) back into the 2nd grade. Are you unable to formulate your own judgement and allowing that to be good enough instead of taking the opinions of a person who's a self admitted MGS4 fanboy (Jeff Haynes).

And finally may I remind you:


http://au.ign64.ign.com/articles/150/150437p1.html

Check out the graphics score there, does that mean MGS4 = OoT in graphics? Nope. Yes I know, "But but but, that was a review from 10 years ago", missing the point? Here: MGS4 came out in June, and back then, the graphics may have deserved a 10/10, but now it's November (similar to how it's 2008 and NOT 1998). The graphics in gaming have improved over the last 6 months and perhaps Gears doesn't deserve a 10/10 by November 2008's standards, but does that necessarily mean that it looks worse than MGS4? No. Does it necessarily mean that it definitely looks better? Also no.

Next argument PS3 fanboys if you don't mind.



Darc Requiem on 19 November 2008
Kantor said:
selnor said:
Kantor said:
selnor said:
mai said:
This gen it was the PS3 which had the most powerfull system but so far...

Meh, just stop reading at this point, tired of fanboys.

Yep stopped reading here to. There is no proof of this. Dont speal off Cell figures either. It's the entire system as a whole that eminates the final production. And if you believe the statement you made, then why is the 360 having no trouble keeping with it, and currently (of games that are available to buy) have the most impressive technical and visual game?

Anyways as Zucas article pointed out and history as well, Power and graphics does not equal success. The quality of the games do.

 

Please enlighten me. What 360 game has better graphics than MGS4, Uncharted and GT5 Prologue? Don't say Gears of War 2. Please don't say Gears of War 2.

Look at any PS3 exclusive. Most of them look incredible. However, (how many times have I said this?) more people own 360s, Microsoft pays for this sort of thing, multiplats are optimised for 360. 360 games do not look bad, by any stretch of the imagination. But you really cannot truthfully say that the 360 can have better graphics than the PS3.

The PS3 hardware is undoubtedly better, as well.

First, the processor. You cannot deny that the Cell is better than the PowerPC. It's seven processors in one. Killzone 2 uses FIVE of those. Imagine what a game using all seven could look like

The RAM. 360 has 10MB more. Wow.

GPU: PS3 is 50MHz faster.

360 has Infrared. PS3 has Bluetooth.

And, of course,

360 has DVD, PS3 has Blu-ray.

I'm not saying the PS3 is better than the 360. But the hardware is better.

 

Yes Gears 2. I'm sorry to burst your bubble and all, but almost all the reviewers of Gears 2 think the same. Together with the actual people I know who own a PS3 only also were gobsmacked by Gears 2. See I dont get sucked in to the whole Forum bias graphical stuff.

Before Gears 2 I firmly believed and posted that both Uncharted and MGS4 were better than Gears 1, ME and Bioshock. So I'm not and idiot who blindly states shit (although my predictions sometimes are very optimistic, LOL).

In fact to quote for instance IGN review " Gears of War is the closet thing to Hollywood production values" Shock hey. Bu, bu what about MGS4? Another quote from the same review "Gears of War 2 takes HD visuals into a new Realm".

Dont get sucked in by the hype of a machine, or because you may have spent £400 on a console, when one that cost £200 can do the same stuff.

 EDIT: Just re read your post. Do you know anything about hardware?

Ram is fairly even in size but the size isnt all to how ram works efficiently. Also yes the GPU on PS3 is 50mhz faster. But if you know anything about GPU's (pipelines, resources, shader versions etc) it is widely known the 360 GPU is better. And then there is the full system bandwidth. I'll let you try and work that out. I know the answers and how they work. As I said I'm not sucked in by a company who sate something. I have built enough gaming PC's to know what to look for.

To quote the IGN review,

Gears 2 graphics score- 9.5

MGS4 graphics score- 10

Granted I haven't seen Gears of War 2 in action yet, I have no doubt that it has the best graphics on 360, but I honestly don't see any graphics feasibly being better than MGS4, short of Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5. You know what? This calls for a comparison shot.

There's another thing. Even if Gears 2's graphics were better than MGS4, they would be nowhere NEAR GT5.

 

MGS4 is a good looking but its not close to PS3's best. Saying MGS4 is the best looking PS3 game is real slap in the face to Uncharted which actually runs in HD, 720p, with no installs versus MGS4 running in 1024x768 with installs for each chapter.



selnor on 19 November 2008
Darc Requiem said:
Kantor said:
selnor said:
Kantor said:
selnor said:
mai said:
This gen it was the PS3 which had the most powerfull system but so far...

Meh, just stop reading at this point, tired of fanboys.

Yep stopped reading here to. There is no proof of this. Dont speal off Cell figures either. It's the entire system as a whole that eminates the final production. And if you believe the statement you made, then why is the 360 having no trouble keeping with it, and currently (of games that are available to buy) have the most impressive technical and visual game?

Anyways as Zucas article pointed out and history as well, Power and graphics does not equal success. The quality of the games do.

 

Please enlighten me. What 360 game has better graphics than MGS4, Uncharted and GT5 Prologue? Don't say Gears of War 2. Please don't say Gears of War 2.

Look at any PS3 exclusive. Most of them look incredible. However, (how many times have I said this?) more people own 360s, Microsoft pays for this sort of thing, multiplats are optimised for 360. 360 games do not look bad, by any stretch of the imagination. But you really cannot truthfully say that the 360 can have better graphics than the PS3.

The PS3 hardware is undoubtedly better, as well.

First, the processor. You cannot deny that the Cell is better than the PowerPC. It's seven processors in one. Killzone 2 uses FIVE of those. Imagine what a game using all seven could look like

The RAM. 360 has 10MB more. Wow.

GPU: PS3 is 50MHz faster.

360 has Infrared. PS3 has Bluetooth.

And, of course,

360 has DVD, PS3 has Blu-ray.

I'm not saying the PS3 is better than the 360. But the hardware is better.

 

Yes Gears 2. I'm sorry to burst your bubble and all, but almost all the reviewers of Gears 2 think the same. Together with the actual people I know who own a PS3 only also were gobsmacked by Gears 2. See I dont get sucked in to the whole Forum bias graphical stuff.

Before Gears 2 I firmly believed and posted that both Uncharted and MGS4 were better than Gears 1, ME and Bioshock. So I'm not and idiot who blindly states shit (although my predictions sometimes are very optimistic, LOL).

In fact to quote for instance IGN review " Gears of War is the closet thing to Hollywood production values" Shock hey. Bu, bu what about MGS4? Another quote from the same review "Gears of War 2 takes HD visuals into a new Realm".

Dont get sucked in by the hype of a machine, or because you may have spent £400 on a console, when one that cost £200 can do the same stuff.

 EDIT: Just re read your post. Do you know anything about hardware?

Ram is fairly even in size but the size isnt all to how ram works efficiently. Also yes the GPU on PS3 is 50mhz faster. But if you know anything about GPU's (pipelines, resources, shader versions etc) it is widely known the 360 GPU is better. And then there is the full system bandwidth. I'll let you try and work that out. I know the answers and how they work. As I said I'm not sucked in by a company who sate something. I have built enough gaming PC's to know what to look for.

To quote the IGN review,

Gears 2 graphics score- 9.5

MGS4 graphics score- 10

Granted I haven't seen Gears of War 2 in action yet, I have no doubt that it has the best graphics on 360, but I honestly don't see any graphics feasibly being better than MGS4, short of Killzone 2 and Gran Turismo 5. You know what? This calls for a comparison shot.

There's another thing. Even if Gears 2's graphics were better than MGS4, they would be nowhere NEAR GT5.

 

MGS4 is a good looking but its not close to PS3's best. Saying MGS4 is the best looking PS3 game is real slap in the face to Uncharted which actually runs in HD, 720p, with no installs versus MGS4 running in 1024x768 with installs for each chapter.

 

 I cant believe some people on forums are still in denial.

Gamespy

"While it's certainly open to debate, we're going to go out on a limb and call Gears of War 2 the most visually impressive game of all-time."

At work not enough time to find more quotes. But will do. Ive played all you mention, and Gears 2 is the next step. If you havent played it dont comment. There are times on a HD tv that your arent sure if this is possible.



bouzane on 19 November 2008

"While it's certainly open to debate, we're going to go out on a limb and call Gears of War 2 the most visually impressive game of all-time."

What a load of crap, I'm playing through Gears 2 now (just cut my way out of the worm) and from a technical standpoint, Gears 2 doesn't even look as good as the original. There are too many muddy textures for it to even be the best looking 360 game. I must mention though that the art-direction is hugely improved over the original, it's not nearly as bland.



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Nirvana_Nut85 on 19 November 2008
selnor said:
mai said:
This gen it was the PS3 which had the most powerfull system but so far...

Meh, just stop reading at this point, tired of fanboys.

Yep stopped reading here to. There is no proof of this. Dont speal off Cell figures either. It's the entire system as a whole that eminates the final production. And if you believe the statement you made, then why is the 360 having no trouble keeping with it, and currently (of games that are available to buy) have the most impressive technical and visual game?

Anyways as Zucas article pointed out and history as well, Power and graphics does not equal success. The quality of the games do.

 

You obviously haven't played Uncharted, or MGS4. They are the most graphically impressive games out there. (Not including PC)

 P.S  Sorry didn't pay attention top the fact that this was already quoted on, pay no attention to this post.



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Nirvana_Nut85 on 19 November 2008
selnor said:
Kantor said:
selnor said:
mai said:
This gen it was the PS3 which had the most powerfull system but so far...

Meh, just stop reading at this point, tired of fanboys.

Yep stopped reading here to. There is no proof of this. Dont speal off Cell figures either. It's the entire system as a whole that eminates the final production. And if you believe the statement you made, then why is the 360 having no trouble keeping with it, and currently (of games that are available to buy) have the most impressive technical and visual game?

Anyways as Zucas article pointed out and history as well, Power and graphics does not equal success. The quality of the games do.

 

Please enlighten me. What 360 game has better graphics than MGS4, Uncharted and GT5 Prologue? Don't say Gears of War 2. Please don't say Gears of War 2.

Look at any PS3 exclusive. Most of them look incredible. However, (how many times have I said this?) more people own 360s, Microsoft pays for this sort of thing, multiplats are optimised for 360. 360 games do not look bad, by any stretch of the imagination. But you really cannot truthfully say that the 360 can have better graphics than the PS3.

The PS3 hardware is undoubtedly better, as well.

First, the processor. You cannot deny that the Cell is better than the PowerPC. It's seven processors in one. Killzone 2 uses FIVE of those. Imagine what a game using all seven could look like

The RAM. 360 has 10MB more. Wow.

GPU: PS3 is 50MHz faster.

360 has Infrared. PS3 has Bluetooth.

And, of course,

360 has DVD, PS3 has Blu-ray.

I'm not saying the PS3 is better than the 360. But the hardware is better.

 

Yes Gears 2. I'm sorry to burst your bubble and all, but almost all the reviewers of Gears 2 think the same. Together with the actual people I know who own a PS3 only also were gobsmacked by Gears 2. See I dont get sucked in to the whole Forum bias graphical stuff.

Before Gears 2 I firmly believed and posted that both Uncharted and MGS4 were better than Gears 1, ME and Bioshock. So I'm not and idiot who blindly states shit (although my predictions sometimes are very optimistic, LOL).

In fact to quote for instance IGN review " Gears of War is the closet thing to Hollywood production values" Shock hey. Bu, bu what about MGS4? Another quote from the same review "Gears of War 2 takes HD visuals into a new Realm".

Dont get sucked in by the hype of a machine, or because you may have spent £400 on a console, when one that cost £200 can do the same stuff.

 EDIT: Just re read your post. Do you know anything about hardware?

Ram is fairly even in size but the size isnt all to how ram works efficiently. Also yes the GPU on PS3 is 50mhz faster. But if you know anything about GPU's (pipelines, resources, shader versions etc) it is widely known the 360 GPU is better. And then there is the full system bandwidth. I'll let you try and work that out. I know the answers and how they work. As I said I'm not sucked in by a company who sate something. I have built enough gaming PC's to know what to look for.

There are parts where gears 2 shines and others where it doesn't. I own Gears 2, Uncharted, Resistance, MGS4, ect. First Of All GT5 prologue is no where near Gears 2 (that was a fanboy comment), but for example if you play games like Uncharted and MGS4 they do honestly look  better than Gears 2, but not by much. There are a few levels even in in Resistance 2 that are on par with Gears and the characters models look somewhat better for some parts in Resistance2 than Gears 2 (but gears 2 does look better than that game overall).

 

 

 



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Jo21 on 19 November 2008

numbers never lie PS3 is more powerful.

360 have a slightly better gpu but thats mainly on the programming part.
due the combine shaders.

still RSX is 50mhz faster.

and the CPU its theorically (using both theorical numbers from IBM) its almost double on the ps3.



Ender on 19 November 2008
Jo21 said:
numbers never lie PS3 is more powerful.

360 have a slightly better gpu but thats mainly on the programming part.
due the combine shaders.

still RSX is 50mhz faster.

and the CPU its theorically (using both theorical numbers from IBM) its almost double on the ps3.

 

Numbers never lie?

 

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."

 

-Mark Twain

 

 

No offense, but measuring a system's performance is quite a bit more complicated than what you said above.



RED53DEVILS on 20 November 2008

mgs 4 is better