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sinha said:
ssj12 said:
sinha said:
ssj12 said:
here is the hole in this, most developers are using the PS3 as the main dev platform now for multiplatform games.

 

Most?  Can you provide some evidence to back up this claim?

EA, Activision, Atari, Midway, and a few others have announced before that they are or in the process of switching their main dev platform to the PS3. EA has already done it for their Sports titles, Activsion has had a few titles as PS3 as main or developed each game individually on each platform, Atari has made their multiplats with PS3 as main platform.

As long as the main publishers are demanding it dev teams owned by the publishers have to use the PS3 as main platform.

Since EA and Activision own a large chunk of developers it is easy to say most developers are using the PS3 as main plat.

 

 

Link?

 

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/08/04/ea-focus-on-ps3-as-lead-platform-for-game-development/

http://gamersvue.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/jack-tretton-ps3-becoming-lead-development-platform/

 

Activision is a confirmation due to the fact of COD4/5 and DMC4 was co-developed for the PS3/PC/360 at the same time.

 



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ssj12 said:
sinha said:
ssj12 said:
sinha said:
ssj12 said:
here is the hole in this, most developers are using the PS3 as the main dev platform now for multiplatform games.

 

Most?  Can you provide some evidence to back up this claim?

EA, Activision, Atari, Midway, and a few others have announced before that they are or in the process of switching their main dev platform to the PS3. EA has already done it for their Sports titles, Activsion has had a few titles as PS3 as main or developed each game individually on each platform, Atari has made their multiplats with PS3 as main platform.

As long as the main publishers are demanding it dev teams owned by the publishers have to use the PS3 as main platform.

Since EA and Activision own a large chunk of developers it is easy to say most developers are using the PS3 as main plat.

 

 

Link?

 

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/08/04/ea-focus-on-ps3-as-lead-platform-for-game-development/

http://gamersvue.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/jack-tretton-ps3-becoming-lead-development-platform/

 

Activision is a confirmation due to the fact of COD4/5 and DMC4 was co-developed for the PS3/PC/360 at the same time.

 

 

LOL.  Is this a joke?? 

It would be huge news if EA and Activision announced they are switching to the PS3 as their main platform... You provide links from gamer.blorge.com and gamersvue.wordpress.com?  Why wouldn't any members of the legitimate gaming media cover this important shift in the industry?

Are there any quotes from anyone who actually holds an important position at EA or Activision stating that they are switching to the PS3 as their lead platform?

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First link:

"EA has commented before they would switch development to the PS3 and make it the lead platform; it seems EA is making good on its promise."

No details whatsoever?  What exactly was EA's previous comment and who made it?  And what indication is there that EA "is making good on its [supposed] promise"?

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Second link:

"Sony Computer Entertainment America CEO Jack Tretton believes that going forward third parties will make the PlayStation 3 their lead platform. So far there have only been a small handful of titles for which that’s the case."

So... SCEA's Tretton "believes" this will happen "going forward"?  LOL.

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The ONLY example from both links is Burnout  Paradise.  ONE GAME.

And neither link mentions Activision at all... how does the fact that three games were "co-developed" on multiple platforms at the same time indicate that Activision are "switching their main dev platform" to the PS3?

 

And you're actually a mod around here?

 



We don't provide the 'easy to program for' console that they [developers] want, because 'easy to program for' means that anybody will be able to take advantage of pretty much what the hardware can do, so the question is what do you do for the rest of the nine and half years? It's a learning process. - SCEI president Kaz Hirai

It's a virus where you buy it and you play it with your friends and they're like, "Oh my God that's so cool, I'm gonna go buy it." So you stop playing it after two months, but they buy it and they stop playing it after two months but they've showed it to someone else who then go out and buy it and so on. Everyone I know bought one and nobody turns it on. - Epic Games president Mike Capps

We have a real culture of thrift. The goal that I had in bringing a lot of the packaged goods folks into Activision about 10 years ago was to take all the fun out of making video games. - Activision CEO Bobby Kotick

 

Coca-Cola said:

http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20081116-npd-software-top-ten-list-the-360-is-a-publishers-best-bet.html

The trends are obvious. When it comes to the best-selling games month after month, the Wii and the Xbox 360 dominate. Digging a little deeper, however, and you can begin to see why the 360 is so enticing to third-party developers: 25 of the 34 games the Wii put on the list were published by Nintendo itself.

The Xbox 360, by contrast, charts many third-party games each month. Many different games. In almost every case where a multiplatform game was released on multiple consoles, the 360 version hit the charts while the PS3 version was either nowhere to be seen, or sold in far fewer numbers.

While the fights taking place under the top ten list are largely invisible to the public, it wouldn't be a surprise if these trends continued when looking at the top twenty, or even the top thirty. Sony lacks the ability to chart a wide array of blockbusters, and the publishers know it.

 

It may interest you to know that 26 of the top 34 games of all time are made by Nintendo

 

It looks like the mantra "only Nintendo games sell on Nintendo platforms" can be shortened to "only Nintendo games sell"

 

Anyway, the 360 is still doing well from its 1 year head start and 3rd parties expecting the Wii to flop, but the Wii has overtaken it in terms of games sold per month, it's attach rate is growing and it's gaining more marketshare. I don't doubt that it's doing well, but developers are moving over to the Wii now



ssj12 said:
De85 said:
shio said:
Electronic Arts and Activision Blizzard disagree with the article: PC is a much bigger money maker than X360 or any other platform.

Activision Blizzard's last quarter revenue:
PC: 46%
All Consoles: 42%

 

That may be true, but it tells an incomplete story.  A huge chunk of that is from WoW, and while there's nothing wrong with that I do not want every company putting out WoW clones trying to cash in on the success.  It's a business model that works for Blizzard but may not work for other companies.

 

Ea has proven PC is beyond profitable, if Valve, Epic, and many other developers havent already.., they posted nice profts of SPORE and a few other titles including Crysis.

 

I can't tell if you're trying to rebut what I said or expound on it, but I in no way meant to imply that PC was unprofitable, just that the MMO thing doesn't always work out.  In Blizzard's case it was wildly successful, but not all are.  For companies that make more traditional games the X360 has proven time and again that it can move a substantial amount of software - enough to justify producing the game for it, whether or not it is multifplatform.



sinha said:
ssj12 said:
sinha said:
ssj12 said:
sinha said:
ssj12 said:
here is the hole in this, most developers are using the PS3 as the main dev platform now for multiplatform games.

 

Most?  Can you provide some evidence to back up this claim?

EA, Activision, Atari, Midway, and a few others have announced before that they are or in the process of switching their main dev platform to the PS3. EA has already done it for their Sports titles, Activsion has had a few titles as PS3 as main or developed each game individually on each platform, Atari has made their multiplats with PS3 as main platform.

As long as the main publishers are demanding it dev teams owned by the publishers have to use the PS3 as main platform.

Since EA and Activision own a large chunk of developers it is easy to say most developers are using the PS3 as main plat.

 

 

Link?

 

http://gamer.blorge.com/2008/08/04/ea-focus-on-ps3-as-lead-platform-for-game-development/

http://gamersvue.wordpress.com/2007/12/20/jack-tretton-ps3-becoming-lead-development-platform/

 

Activision is a confirmation due to the fact of COD4/5 and DMC4 was co-developed for the PS3/PC/360 at the same time.

 

 

LOL.  Is this a joke?? 

It would be huge news if EA and Activision announced they are switching to the PS3 as their main platform... You provide links from gamer.blorge.com and gamersvue.wordpress.com?  Why wouldn't any members of the legitimate gaming media cover this important shift in the industry?

Are there any quotes from anyone who actually holds an important position at EA or Activision stating that they are switching to the PS3 as their lead platform?

---

First link:

"EA has commented before they would switch development to the PS3 and make it the lead platform; it seems EA is making good on its promise."

No details whatsoever?  What exactly was EA's previous comment and who made it?  And what indication is there that EA "is making good on its [supposed] promise"?

---

Second link:

"Sony Computer Entertainment America CEO Jack Tretton believes that going forward third parties will make the PlayStation 3 their lead platform. So far there have only been a small handful of titles for which that’s the case."

So... SCEA's Tretton "believes" this will happen "going forward"?  LOL.

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The ONLY example from both links is Burnout  Paradise.  ONE GAME.

And neither link mentions Activision at all... how does the fact that three games were "co-developed" on multiple platforms at the same time indicate that Activision are "switching their main dev platform" to the PS3?

 

And you're actually a mod around here?

 

you know you really need to research right?

Games using PS3 as lead by EA

Madden 09

Other EA Sports 09 titles

Mirror's Edge

SKATE 2

Dead Space

Army of Two

 

 

 



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This analysis is really quite useless, you can't explain developers' investment decisions based on NPD's top 10. You need to look at the complete data and include all countries. And even then the current data doesn't prove too much if your game won't release for another 2 to 3 years and the market shift completely in the meantime.



Unfortunately the Wii seems to be in a vicious circle at the moment.

Developers don't devote too much time an money to develop for it which means that low quality games and ports are produced, which means that Wii owners don't buy many non nintendo games and as a result 3rd party games don't sell as much which makes them reluctant to produce any big budget titels to begin with....



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End of 2009 ltd sales:

Wii = 67-68m

X360 = 38-39m

PS3 = 34-35m

Prediction: The PS3 will surpass the 360 on weekly sales after it drops to $299 on all regular weeks (no big releases).

ssj12 said:

you know you really need to research right?

Games using PS3 as lead by EA

Madden 09

Other EA Sports 09 titles

Mirror's Edge

SKATE 2

Dead Space

Army of Two

 

 

 

I do know Dead Space wasn't lead on the PS3. They just put a lot of effort into the PS3 build.

 



Tease.

JaggedSac said:
Well, it was all doom and gloom for the 360 until about 3/4 months ago.

You are correect in that some preached this as well.  Thankfully, I wasn't one of them.

 



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Squilliam said:
ssj12 said:

you know you really need to research right?

Games using PS3 as lead by EA

Madden 09

Other EA Sports 09 titles

Mirror's Edge

SKATE 2

Dead Space

Army of Two

 

 

 

I do know Dead Space wasn't lead on the PS3. They just put a lot of effort into the PS3 build.

 

 

wasnt it co-developed though...



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