Do u know how long it takes to stream a HD movie on a 160kbs connection?

30 seconds at most buffering.

"Do u know how long it takes to stream a HD movie on a 160kbs connection?



30 seconds at most buffering."

I don't know what kind of 160kbs connection you're using. But using my 512k connection which costs $30.00 a month, it would takes 5 hours to download a 1 gig game demo so it would take 25 hours to download 50 gig

Right but the PS3, with the pricetag and HD-centric Blu-Ray drive, is aiming for the crowd that isn't using a 512k connection.  The early adopter, gotta have HD movies, in-the-know crowd that the PS3 appeals to will likely have higher broadband speeds too.

Like all technology, broadband speeds are going to get better while maintaining or lowering price as we go forward.  For example, Comcast in my area (minneapolis) just upped all the speeds at the same cost.  

As of May 2007, the average broadband speed in the U.S. was 1.9 MPS, and I'd bet that has gone up in the past year and a half, but I can't find a current stat quickly.

Download INdeed,Stream nah.

well, it's not MS's fault that Sony's choking!

Look at it this way, this generation, Sony assumed that PS3 will succeed just like PS2 and PS1 succeeded. So this time around, Sony put all its eggs into one basket, which is blu-ray and indeed, that worked out, they won the blu-ray format war by forcing it down gamer's throat. What happened? Fanboys backlashed and PS3 is last place, and they are losing a lot of money. Meanwhile, MS, that doesn't need to multitask, focused on gaming and courted all developers to make the 360 as successful as possible. Yes, there's money on the side, but wouldn't you accept money if it was offered? Aside from money, it's pretty obvious that at this point, the other best argument is that 360 multiplatform games sell more even when we count worldwide.

If these game companies go to exclusively using dlc, they will alienate the rural crowd that has to get internet at whatever speed their local co-op tells them they have to have. In my area, a 3.0g connection which is the fastest they offer costs $70.00 a month.

No, they got cocky. Let me tell you a story:

One day in 2005 Kazuo Hirai said "The PlayStation Portable will elevate gaming out of the handheld ghetto, and Sony is the only company that can do it. Dare I say, the baton has been passed."

Seems like Kaz was saying the PSP would outsell the DS. In fact, that's what most journalists, analysts, and gamers thought as well. Why? Because it was made by Sony and had the PlayStation brand. They believed it would sell off just brand name. BTW, read EGM issue 189 or 190 for Kaz's quote.

Now it's time for another story:

A few months later at E3 2005, Sony announced their succesor to the PlayStation 2, the PlayStation 3. Ken Katuragi called the Xbox 360 "Xbox 1.5" as the 360's specs weren't as nice as the PS3's. Michael Pachter was quoted in EGM issue 194 saying "At the end of 2007, the Xbox 360 will have a 45% marketshare, the PlayStation 3 will have a 33% share, and the Revolution will have a 22% share... I think that Sony will eventually pass Microsoft."

Katuragi was being cocky about the PS3's hardware specs. At that time, Sony still had all those third-party exclusives to themselves. I added the Pachter quote in as a continuation of the brand name importance to Sony. He, like most people, believed Sony would win mostly off of brand name. Had he said " At the end of 2007, the Xbox 360's lead over the Revolution will be extremely slim and the PlayStation 3 will be in last place," he would have been ignored by everyone.

Moral of the story, being cocky can bite you in the ass someday.

Smartest post so far. It's nice to see that ONE frickin person here can see what MS is trying to do and what will happen if they succeed.

We would have a gaming industry on par with windows. In other words, after beating Sony out, MS would either buy Nintendo or just outprice the shit out of them and force them out. Then, having no competition, MS wouldn't have to give much of a shit about the quality of their consoles or games as you would have NO OTHER CHOICE. That's why 15 years later, Windows is still buggy as hell, crashes, and is too expensive.

So go ahead gamers, keep buying 360's just because they're cheap. MS is betting on your ignorance(and so far it's been a good bet,LOL)

True.  But think about what the options were two years ago.  Or think about cell coverage in some areas 5 years ago.  These things take time to filter out from the high population areas, but it won't be long until everyone's clicking along at 10-15MPS fairly affordably in the 40-60 dollar range.  Give it a year or two.  the demand is growing, as more and more of our lives become internet-dependent.

This!