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naznatips said:
Paul_Warren said:

nazanips said,

"On the flip side: FFXII was freaking awful.  For all Mass Effect's faults it was still a good (but not great) game underneath.  FFXII was a melee button-mashing, cliched-story, horrendous characters, autopilot combat, broken mess of a game.  It was nearly flawless on a technical level, but did almost nothing else right."

 

Wrong on all accounts. Final Fantasy XII received a 10 from Play Magazine and a 9.5 from IGN. It also won IGN's Playstation II Game of the Year Award for 2006.

http://bestof.ign.com/2006/ps2/39.html
http://playmagazine.com/index.php?fuseaction=SiteMain.showGamePage&Game_ID=407


Play had this to say about Mass Effect:

"Ten gamer score points are awarded when Commander Shepard finally takes, to put it mildly, the skin boat to tuna town. It’s an achievement, all right, to attract a woman to his cabin for loving, but not much of one. At one point, the role-playing game Mass Effect makes it so overt that Shepard actually has to choose between potential love interests: the alien Liara, whose race incorporates both male and female characteristics; or the hard-fighting human Ashley Williams.

This should be epic stuff. The space-based Mass Effect is mature enough to show, at least partially, characters progressing toward the physical act of fornication. Yet it’s not emotionally developed enough that players will care about, or be moved by, any of it. Shepard’s ultimate choice, the progression of his relationships, and the very explicit love scene itself all come with almost zero emotional resonance. It’s all just a series of dialogue choices leading up to partial nudity.

Mass Effect spans some 30-35 hours of gameplay. It offers up situations where game characters can, and will, be killed off in the course of space battles. This is important, Mass Effect screams. The galaxy is at stake. People are going to die.

Ultimately, though, it doesn’t matter. The impact is missing because the characters are, for the most part, zeroes. They have all the charm and depth of an ATM card."

http://playmagazine.com/index.php?fuseaction=SiteMain.showGamePage&Game_ID=693

 

I'm glad your entire enjoyment of games is based on what other people think about them.  There are those of us though who form opinions separate from those of reviewers, and in mine FFXII was awful.  Not even a debate for me.  I would not replay that game if you paid me.  I would actually rather go to work than play FFXII, and that goes double for Oblivion.

@Darc Requiem

Excuse me, an evil alien machine invasion.  My fault.  There was nothing deep about it.  It was laughably simplistic.  Although nothing made me laugh as hard as the romance. The worst cheesiest dialog to grace a video game in years.  If Mass Effect were a movie, it would be lucky to be considered a B-Movie.  It's a mess in story, character development, and design (my god how many times can you remake the same fucking planet with a different texture paint?  Try not making your game in a map editor).  Playing WoW by yourself is better than Mass Effect.  At least it has variety of design

Okay any credibility you had just flew the coop with that one. I get that you are not a big fan of Mass Effect but WoW. Seriously? WoW is the FFVII of MMOs. It extremely popular and extremely overrated. A game that is dumbed down for the masses and able to run on just about any somewhat recent PC. I was going to type up a long detailed response but after the WoW reference it would obviously be a complete and utter waste of my time.

 



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Darc Requiem said:
naznatips said:

I'm glad your entire enjoyment of games is based on what other people think about them.  There are those of us though who form opinions separate from those of reviewers, and in mine FFXII was awful.  Not even a debate for me.  I would not replay that game if you paid me.  I would actually rather go to work than play FFXII, and that goes double for Oblivion.

@Darc Requiem

Excuse me, an evil alien machine invasion.  My fault.  There was nothing deep about it.  It was laughably simplistic.  Although nothing made me laugh as hard as the romance. The worst cheesiest dialog to grace a video game in years.  If Mass Effect were a movie, it would be lucky to be considered a B-Movie.  It's a mess in story, character development, and design (my god how many times can you remake the same fucking planet with a different texture paint?  Try not making your game in a map editor).  Playing WoW by yourself is better than Mass Effect.  At least it has variety of design

Okay any credibility you had just flew the coop with that one. I get that you are not a big fan of Mass Effect but WoW. Seriously? WoW is the FFVII of MMOs. It extremely popular and extremely overrated. A game that is dumbed down for the masses and able to run on just about any somewhat recent PC. I was going to type up a long detailed response but after the WoW reference it would obviously be a complete and utter waste of my time.

 

It certainly was an exaggeration, but not much of one.  Also, I certainly appreciate games that are fun to play for the masses.  It's the opposite, the elitist bullshit that no one but those willing to devote their entire lives to a game can enjoy, that I hate.

And surely you don't like MMOs at all if you don't like WoW, as every new MMO in the last 3 years has done nothing but copy it.



Well, I would rather go to work than put serious time into either Phoenix Wright or Professor Layton.


"I'm glad your entire enjoyment of games is based on what other people think about them. There are those of us though who form opinions separate from those of reviewers, and in mine FFXII was awful. Not even a debate for me. I would not replay that game if you paid me. I would actually rather go to work than play FFXII, and that goes double for Oblivion."



My most anticipated games:  Whatever Hideo Kojima is going to do next, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Gran Turismo 5, Alan Wake, Wii Sports Resort.  Cave Story Wiiware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqqLMgbtrB8

Paul_Warren said:
Well, I would rather go to work than put serious time into either Phoenix Wright or Professor Layton.


"I'm glad your entire enjoyment of games is based on what other people think about them. There are those of us though who form opinions separate from those of reviewers, and in mine FFXII was awful. Not even a debate for me. I would not replay that game if you paid me. I would actually rather go to work than play FFXII, and that goes double for Oblivion."


You're surely not alone in that opinion.  A lot of people don't like to have to think to play games.  They'd rather just smash buttons real hard and look at the pretty pictures.



There won't be one on the consoles this entire generation IMO.

They're all on the DS, and that's where they will most likely stay.



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naznatips said:
Darc Requiem said:
naznatips said:

I'm glad your entire enjoyment of games is based on what other people think about them.  There are those of us though who form opinions separate from those of reviewers, and in mine FFXII was awful.  Not even a debate for me.  I would not replay that game if you paid me.  I would actually rather go to work than play FFXII, and that goes double for Oblivion.

@Darc Requiem

Excuse me, an evil alien machine invasion.  My fault.  There was nothing deep about it.  It was laughably simplistic.  Although nothing made me laugh as hard as the romance. The worst cheesiest dialog to grace a video game in years.  If Mass Effect were a movie, it would be lucky to be considered a B-Movie.  It's a mess in story, character development, and design (my god how many times can you remake the same fucking planet with a different texture paint?  Try not making your game in a map editor).  Playing WoW by yourself is better than Mass Effect.  At least it has variety of design

Okay any credibility you had just flew the coop with that one. I get that you are not a big fan of Mass Effect but WoW. Seriously? WoW is the FFVII of MMOs. It extremely popular and extremely overrated. A game that is dumbed down for the masses and able to run on just about any somewhat recent PC. I was going to type up a long detailed response but after the WoW reference it would obviously be a complete and utter waste of my time.

 

It certainly was an exaggeration, but not much of one.  Also, I certainly appreciate games that are fun to play for the masses.  It's the opposite, the elitist bullshit that no one but those willing to devote their entire lives to a game can enjoy, that I hate.

And surely you don't like MMOs at all if you don't like WoW, as every new MMO in the last 3 years has done nothing but copy it.

 

I've been playing MMO's for far longer than 3 years. Whether it be the original Everquest, Rubies of Eventide, Asheron's Call 2, Anarchy Online, Shadowbane, etc. etc. I don't hate MMO's. I don't even hate WoW. I just see it for what it is. It the first MMO for a lot of people and because of that its flaws get over looked. The only thing they truly nailed with WoW is the PvP. The PvE is highly generic and overall content of the game is severely lacking. WoW isn't terrible is just woefully average. Even the more complex MMO's have been dumbing themselves down to be more friendly to WoW players.

BTW Sorry for getting off topic everyone, but comparing WoW to Mass Effect would be like me comparing the single player quest in Phantasy Star Universe to Lost Odyssey.



"You're surely not alone in that opinion. A lot of people don't like to have to think to play games. They'd rather just smash buttons real hard and look at the pretty pictures."

Don't insult people's intelligence. Surely, it is a bannable offense.



My most anticipated games:  Whatever Hideo Kojima is going to do next, Final Fantasy XIII, Final Fantasy Versus XIII, Gran Turismo 5, Alan Wake, Wii Sports Resort.  Cave Story Wiiware.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zqqLMgbtrB8