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Khuutra said:
routsounmanman said:
Rei said:

I pray the day will come all old-school FF fans will finally abandon the franchise and Square. SE is not going back to its roots, they are not going to make games the way you want them to. Deal with it and find yourself another company to be a fan of.

Old FF fans are being replaced by new ones, but some of them just cant leave without bashing new Square in every corner. And I have at least 2 friends who could not stay Final Fantasy because of the turn based combat but they loved FFXII.

I play Square's games since the PSone era and I think Square-Enix is much better than Squaresoft, probably because I am not affected by nolstalgia and can appreciate new concepts and ideas in jRPGs.

So really guys: just leave Square if you dont like them now, and stop bitching already.

 

Have u even played older SE games, like FFVI, FFIV, Crono Trigger, Ogre Battle, Valkyrie Profile, Dragon Quest IV? If you have not, you simply cannot compare SE to Squaresoft.

 

Did you just call Ogre battle an "older SE game"

Because it isn't

It's more of a Quest title, and the Quest teams have been laying down the hard stuff for Square in the form of Final Fantasy Tatics and FFXII for several years

 

Release date(s) Super NES
JP 1993-03-12
NA 1995
Saturn
JP 1996
PlayStation
1997

 

It was released back in 1995, 13 years old, wich in my book is old enough...



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Ogre Battle was published by Atlus. And produced by Quest.

The same is true for Person of Lordly caliber, which came out on the N64 in 1999.



Impulsivity, I'm with you 100% that Square, as we knew it, rests in peace. However, I don't think Enix is entirely responsible. Four words: W-A-D-A. I don't know where that guy came from but his business model, aka shit around till something sticks then milk the shit till there's nothing left, really stinks!



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It is possibly the oldest, easily the most profitable, surely the most vicious. It is the only one international in scope. It is the only one in which the profits are reckoned in dollars and the losses in lives"---Maj. Gen. Smedley Butler

Khuutra said:
Ogre Battle was published by Atlus. And produced by Quest.

The same is true for Person of Lordly caliber, which came out on the N64 in 1999.

From Wikipedia:

"Enix of America only distributed twenty-five thousand copies of the Super Nintendo version to the United States"

I never knew that. My copy is worth a fortune

 

Ok you can rule out Ogre Battle. I thought it was published by Square... Time washed away the memories



Better sell it quick if you plan to go that route. It just hit the Virtual Console in Japan, and should hit the States pretty soon.

Though I guess that wouldn't matter to collectors.



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Khuutra said:
Better sell it quick if you plan to go that route. It just hit the Virtual Console in Japan, and should hit the States pretty soon.

Though I guess that wouldn't matter to collectors.

'Course not. I'm emulating lots of SNES and still plan on getting one... same with those guys.

 



ZenfoldorVGI said:
FFX is great. It has a great endgame and sidequests. I loved it.

However, my favorite FF is FFVIII. That is what I meant when I said X wasn't the best FF since VII, imo.

 

   I think a lot of the opinion on which is better FF wise comes down to characters since the gameplay itself is barely changed from 7 through X-2.

 

   As to 8, I absolutely hated Squall.  That I'm a lone wolf, I'm deep emo shit got really really old by the end of the first disk and intolerable by the end of the 3rd.  There was no great villain, no really memorable characters and the spell system was iffy at best.

 

   9, the cartoony nature, the lame main character (WTF a tail?) that was absolutely lame and the rather boring battle system just didn't do it for me.

 

   That leads to FFX.  I really liked Tidus as a main character, honestly, because he reminded me of....well the way I would want me to act in his position.  He would jump into a battle and yell never fear the heroes here, he would tilt towards the arrogant side and was a really fun character.  That and the support characters had a nice mix of fun (Rikku) and serious (Auron) that I think really worked well.  It reminded me a lot of the very varried cast in FFVII.  I just don't want boring introspective characters in my RPGs, I want someone who is fun, a bit arrogant and confident.

 

  That and in FFX the graphics were AMAZING for when it came out, the setting were beautiful, the level up system was really interesting and non linear...it was good in just about every respect.

   FFXII alternately went to crap like having to buy spells and abilities (which eliminates a lot of the point of the grid it used), another LAME main character (I HATE playing as 12 year olds in games, F Vahn as a main character)....on top of that I hate playing as a finese thief type class as a main character.  The main character should be either well rounded or magically badass.  Look at Terra or Celes (magically badass) or Cloud (well rounded with a side of badass) or Cecil (magically badass in two contrasting ways!) or Tidus (well rounded).  Thieves and wusses are fine as supporting characters, even good interesting ones (Locke for instance) but I don't want a wus as the main character I have to depend on.  This also applies to the tailed pansy from FFIX.

 

   FFXIII had better have a main character of legal drinking age or older with some balls.




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Impulsivity said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
FFX is great. It has a great endgame and sidequests. I loved it.

However, my favorite FF is FFVIII. That is what I meant when I said X wasn't the best FF since VII, imo.

 

   I think a lot of the opinion on which is better FF wise comes down to characters since the gameplay itself is barely changed from 7 through X-2.

 

I dunno dude, i think after VII, the gameplay massively changed in VIII, then back to classic style in XI, X, and X-2, then XIII pulled an VIII.

The story in VIII is kinda weak, but the draw/limit system is why I like it so much. The endgame for VIII was fufilling as hell.



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Impulsivity said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
FFX is great. It has a great endgame and sidequests. I loved it.

However, my favorite FF is FFVIII. That is what I meant when I said X wasn't the best FF since VII, imo.

 

   I think a lot of the opinion on which is better FF wise comes down to characters since the gameplay itself is barely changed from 7 through X-2.

 

   As to 8, I absolutely hated Squall.  That I'm a lone wolf, I'm deep emo shit got really really old by the end of the first disk and intolerable by the end of the 3rd.  There was no great villain, no really memorable characters and the spell system was iffy at best.

 

   9, the cartoony nature, the lame main character (WTF a tail?) that was absolutely lame and the rather boring battle system just didn't do it for me.

 

   That leads to FFX.  I really liked Tidus as a main character, honestly, because he reminded me of....well the way I would want me to act in his position.  He would jump into a battle and yell never fear the heroes here, he would tilt towards the arrogant side and was a really fun character.  That and the support characters had a nice mix of fun (Rikku) and serious (Auron) that I think really worked well.  It reminded me a lot of the very varried cast in FFVII.  I just don't want boring introspective characters in my RPGs, I want someone who is fun, a bit arrogant and confident.

 

  That and in FFX the graphics were AMAZING for when it came out, the setting were beautiful, the level up system was really interesting and non linear...it was good in just about every respect.

   FFXII alternately went to crap like having to buy spells and abilities (which eliminates a lot of the point of the grid it used), another LAME main character (I HATE playing as 12 year olds in games, F Vahn as a main character)....on top of that I hate playing as a finese thief type class as a main character.  The main character should be either well rounded or magically badass.  Look at Terra or Celes (magically badass) or Cloud (well rounded with a side of badass) or Cecil (magically badass in two contrasting ways!) or Tidus (well rounded).  Thieves and wusses are fine as supporting characters, even good interesting ones (Locke for instance) but I don't want a wus as the main character I have to depend on.  This also applies to the tailed pansy from FFIX.

 

   FFXIII had better have a main character of legal drinking age or older with some balls.

I agree with the bolded statement.

The rest of what you said is just opinion though. Why do you feel Zidane is a "pansy"? He was just goofy and irresponsible. Tidus was the one that was crying all the time. Now that was a pansy... and the stuff about his tail... well if little stuff like that actualy bother you that much, I feel sad for you.

The stuff you said about liking a character that is confident, I don't totaly agree. I personaly like people who are flawed. Superconfident people are unrealistic and not interesting at all.

I did not like FFVIII because the love story WAS the actual story. I did not have such a big problem with Squall. It was mostly the fact the FFVIII was a love story. Love stories are great when they're not the WHOLE DAMN STORY! "So there is someone trying to compress time and rule everything? Well, who gives a f*** about that! Let's show Squall and Rinoa some more!". That pissed me off. A lot.

That's all my opinion, of course.

 



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Impulsivity

You do realize that Vaan had the best stats in every stat, except for Strength which was ruled by Basch, right? You could make Vaan into anything you wanted using the License Board.

And I still don't get how anyone can like Tidus after that opener. Does he ever get cooler?