@ Bitmap Frogs

I wouldn't have minded if the PS3 would be a Philips product, all other things equal of course.



Sony never had a gaming monopoly (just a lot of success), for example Nintendo could have introduced a Wii-like product at any time. It's a highly competitive market, like all the other consumer electronics markets Sony competes in.

Hyruken said: DMeisterJ said: Wow. PS3 is pwning 360 this year. Got about 1.2 mln units for 360 to make up on PS3. It's a shame that Squilliam is only using Q3/Q4 2008 sales for his sig, and not full year sales.  Im quite new here but im guessing your the resident PS3 fanboy right?

It really is that obvious, isn't it? The best part is he owns the other two consoles, but not a PS3.

 

 

As for the rest of the thread, I don't know what the OP's intentions were, but it didn't take long for his thread title to turn ironic.

 

papflesje said: The ps2 has a largest library and holds the biggest amount of better games which means it makes it a better gaming value than both the GC and the first Xbox. The point is and remains: not for everyone, and you cannot expect people to acknowledge that if they truly believe that other systems offer more for them in that regard. Forcing them to do so, says more about you.

 

Not really. Your coming from the angle of the subjective value of certain exclusive games which in some cases and to some people raises the bar of that system's value. However both in the GC and Xbox1 cases, holding onto those games carried a huge cost since the overall library of the ps2 was just demolishing and wider than any of its competitors.

edit: sony held a monopoly, it had an absurdly high market share which abused throttling the ps2 price in order to generate income, abused by sticking to the memory card tax (which today is still not bundled with the console and carries a high price) and abused when they approved a 600$/€ launch price, hoping consumers would take a second job in order to buy it*

*Krazy Ken dixit

Can't wait for Uncharted 2

@MikeB

 

You posted this a long time ago, but no one corrected you yet, so I will.

 

You stated:

"In 2007, the PS3 outsold the 360 by 1.55 million to retail, of which about 600K the holiday season."

Looks more like 200k holiday season and overall it did NOT outsell the 360 in 2007.

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 03rd Nov 2007 to 05th Jan 2008:

Console	PS3	X360
Total	3,685,851	3,414,001

 

"In 2007, the PS3 outsold the 360 by 1.55 million to retail"

I find this very, very, VERY incorrect:

VGChartz Hardware data for the period 06th Jan 2007 to 05th Jan 2008:

Console	PS3	X360
Total	7,929,595	8,100,795

@ nightsurge

Google is your friend, search for financial reports.

Regarding the 2007 holiday season:

1st September 2007 retailers had bought 5.63 PS3 million units from Sony.
1st September 2007 retailers had bought 13.4 million 360s from Microsoft.

The 1st of January 2008 retailers had bought 10.53 million PS3 units from Sony.
The 1st of January 2008 retailers had bought 17.7 million 360s from Microsoft.

17.7 - 13.4 = 4.3 million 360s.
10.53 - 5.63 = 4.9 million PS3s.

Please note VGChartz only reports estimates (which have been off quite a bit in the past and have been regularly corrected).

For the year 2007 as a whole the PS3 sold 8.85 million units to retailers worldwide.
For the year 2007 as a whole the 360 sold 7.3 million units to retailers worldwide.

Sold to retailers, not sales to consumers. That's your only problem when using those financial reports.

Actual sales to the consumer will be quite different.

nightsurge said: Sold to retailers, not sales to consumers. That's your only problem when using those financial reports. Actual sales to the consumer will be quite different.

Not very different, for holiday 2007 retailers worldwide wouldn't have bought more PS3s if the PS3 wasn't selling better than the 360 before this and this trend wouldn't have continued in 2008 when retailers again bought more PS3s than 360s.

Also note the 360 was launched in more regions than the PS3 worldwide was in 2007 and now in 2008. Also the 360 overall was and is much more in stock than the PS3 at retailers (all versions included).

MikeB, your numbers and concepts are off quite a bit, my friend. The DVD used in Xbox games is DVD-9 which holds 7.95GB of data on average and some claim as much as 8.5GB. Also, if Gears of War 2 can fit in a 6.8GB file, and look and perform as well as it does, what is the purpose of the extra space?  The tedious hour long installs from the very slow read speed of BD make it bad for gaming.

Then, you mentioned something about Microsoft cleaning up the RRoD issues. You mentioned people buying new consoles. They don't do that. They send in their console, it gets fixed. No purchasing of newer consoles except the small fraction that want to HDMI and slightly newer motherboards, etc.

Also, a VERY main reason for the PS3 outselling the 360 is because MANY people bought the PS3 for JUST a BD player. That is one reason why the PS3's attachment rate is so far off from the rest (a mere 5.3 as compared to an 8.1 of the 360). I would bet that 5% or more of the 2008 sales, especially early on, were for mostly if not entirely to be used as a BD player.

The sales of this holiday will show the 360 take a bigger lead, and while the PS3 may catch up ground over the years, it will NEVER pass the 360 this generation. Maybe in 2013 when the PS3 is on it's 6th year of the 10 year life cycle, it will pass the 360, but by 2012 or 2013 at the latest, there will be a new Xbox and a new Wii.

@ nightsurge

No 360 game holds more than 6.8 GB per disc.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v152/deathkiller/1-2.png

Note the sheet is misleading though, regarding the 15 MB/s figure (PR marketing misrepresentation). That's the max speed of a single layer 360 DVD, on average a single layer 360 DVD is read slower and a dual layer 360 DVD is being read much slower.



More graphics varierty or higher quality assets, less re-usage of data. In short room for better quality graphics and audio or alternative more variety. Fewer sacrifices to suit disc specifications, that's why developers have been complaining. DVD is usually enough for the Wii or PS2, for a HD console it's a considerable limiting factor.



To quote a friend a few days ago:

"Yesterday, the 3th of November 2009, my 1 year old XBox 360 Elite (the Zephyr version) died by the 3 Red Rings Of Death. " (Note the 2009 should actually be 2008 )

"will buy the Falcon-version of XBox 360 Elite, so if anything happens, then i have this backup anyway.."

You can read similar reports from (especially) early adopters all over the internet.



That's not true, taking equal timeframes it's 6.5 for the 360, but if you look at the average months of ownership PS3 users buy just as many games per user per month. Taking equal timeframes the PS3 was delayed for 5 months in Europe and for the US the PS3 saw incredible year over year gains, meaning on average PS3 users owned their console for a shorter period of time.