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kn on 08 November 2008
Falcon095 said:
The problem is that it looks like it'll be focused on racing what everyone expecting was a plataformer

Just to clear things up:


It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game. It is not a racing game.

IT IS NOT A RACING GAME. IT IS A PLATFORM GAME.



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Goddbless on 08 November 2008
kn said:

I downloaded the demo yesterday and have played through most of it.  My daughter has done the same and now both of us want to buy it.

I keep seeing posts about it not being a platformer and is some kind of racing game.  Am I not playing the same game?  Apparently these people are either smoking crack, haven't played the demo, or both.  The game is a platformer through and through -- at least after playing the demo.  Yes, vehicles are part of the deal, but you regularly have to depart the vehicle, collect stuff, and build new ones for specific purposes.  For those that keep saying it isn't a platformer, what the hell do you think it is?  It is not an action/adventure.  It is not an RPG.  It is not a shooter.  It is most certainly not a racing game as so many nutjobs are calling it.  Perhaps it is a platformer -- just a unique twist on the platform concept -- yeah, that's the ticket.

The graphics are very solid -- not quite ratchet and clank -- but great none the less.  The sound quality in DD5.1 is GREAT.

The bottom line is that BK NB is a very neat game and worth of a purchase especially given the price tag.  I'll be picking it up today (NEW) as I want to support the developer's efforts (yes, I know Rare is a microsoft-owned property).

I think people are just trying to find something wrong with the game so they can trash Rare more. I don't understand why everyone wants to punish Rare for being with Microsoft when they were sold to them. If this game were on the Wii people would praise it for being so huge you need vehicles to traverse the land. Instead you get the Banjo Kart comments.

 



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kn on 08 November 2008
Riachu said:
The text size is small and hard to read on SDTVs

 

And it is a demo and perhaps they will fix it.  Small text on SDTV doesn't make it a bad game (or a racing game for that matter).



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kn on 08 November 2008
libellule said:
so kn is still alive ;))

Yeah, I just got so damn tired of all the fanboy BS on this (and every other VG site) that I just walked away for a while and played my games instead.  I come back from time to time to find people like Leo and others still singing the same tunes so I'll just pop in from time to time.

I just recently pulled Gears of War and Portal out to play again and I forgot how great both games were.  Gears 1 was a phenomenal title given how early in the gen they were at the time.  I hope to pick gears 2 up soon and give it a go.  There is just so much goodness out there right now and since I picked up some titles at the recent B2G1 free events, I've got more to play than I have time for.  (Lego Batman and RockBand 2 are awesome BTW).

 



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Riachu on 08 November 2008
kn said:
Riachu said:
The text size is small and hard to read on SDTVs

 

And it is a demo and perhaps they will fix it. Small text on SDTV doesn't make it a bad game (or a racing game for that matter).

 

I am not saying it is a bad game or even a racing game.  I am just stating a valid complaint from many gamers.  They could've made the font size bigger.



 

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Ari_Gold on 08 November 2008

the problem is that its not on the wii



megaman79 on 08 November 2008

So what your telling me is its a racing game?



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Neoraf on 08 November 2008
Riachu said:
The text size is small and hard to read on SDTVs

Go get a HDTV.
Problem solved.

Banjo-Kazooie will be great!
Day One purchase for me.

 



     

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Riachu on 08 November 2008
Neoraf said:
Riachu said:
The text size is small and hard to read on SDTVs

Go get a HDTV.
Problem solved.

Banjo-Kazooie will be great!
Day One purchase for me.

 

I do have an HDTV.  The problem is that it is in the living room which is where my family members like to watch TV,

 



 

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BrainBoxLtd on 08 November 2008
kn said:

I downloaded the demo yesterday and have played through most of it.  My daughter has done the same and now both of us want to buy it.

I keep seeing posts about it not being a platformer and is some kind of racing game.  Am I not playing the same game?  Apparently these people are either smoking crack, haven't played the demo, or both.  The game is a platformer through and through -- at least after playing the demo.  Yes, vehicles are part of the deal, but you regularly have to depart the vehicle, collect stuff, and build new ones for specific purposes.  For those that keep saying it isn't a platformer, what the hell do you think it is?  It is not an action/adventure.  It is not an RPG.  It is not a shooter.  It is most certainly not a racing game as so many nutjobs are calling it.  Perhaps it is a platformer -- just a unique twist on the platform concept -- yeah, that's the ticket.

You're right in that it's not a racing game, but In just the length of the demo, it's seems RACING is more of a focus than PLATFORMING. I'm not sure what your definition of a platforming game is, but mine is a game where the primary focus is negotating your way past and through obstacles by running and jumping across platforms. Admittably the defintion of "platform game" has become fairly subjective, but the primary focus in B&K Nuts and Bolts seems to be building vehicles to complete goals across various areas, and the goals in the demo don't represent what most people would consider platform gaming.

In Banjo-Land: Act 1 (The only game world you can visit in the demo) two of the four jiggies you win in races. Another one is batting away enemies from Clanker, and the last is shoving soccer balls in a goal. All of them are designed around being done in vehicles. The two Jinjo challenges involve how far you can hurl a ball, and delivering someone across the level using a helicopter. Even the music notes are placed in areas easily reached by land, or high up above where you'll need a plane.

Showdown town seems to have some platforming elements, possibly just as a throwback to the old Banjo games. Probably why you're forbidden from using other vehicles. But climbing on top of a building, or scaling LOG's game tower for the torpedo piece isn't the main goal in the game, the Jiggies are. Between a couple of races, an odd kind of demolition derby, and a escort mission this game seems to have more in common with the Grand Theft Auto series then the previous Banjo-Kazooie titles.

Replacing the ability to jump with the ability to swing around on a hook is a unique twist on the platform concept. Desiging a series of cliched goals around a robust vehicle editor seems more like a twist on the sandbox genre, if anything.