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Voltaire on 07 November 2008
axumblade said:
 

On topic,

I believe what Sega are trying to say is that its hard to sell a game for the Wii that isn't a party/board game unless it is a Nintendo game. And because of this, most people tend to buy those party games and not really play the system until they find another one that interests them. But making this about quality 3rd party being rejected, Look at Ubisoft for example.

No More Heroes - Regular Game - .36k sold
Rayman Raving Rabbids - Party game - Both have sold over a million copies.

Sonic & The Secret Rings  - Regular Game 1.82 million sold
Mario & Sonic at the Olympics - Party Game - 5 million+ sold

There are only 6 games that have sold over a million that aren't party games.

Sonic & The Secret Rings, Resident Evil 4, Lego Star Wars, Resident Evil: Umbrella Chronicles, MySims, and Red Steel

So basically Capcom (amidst all the lower selling great games like Zack & Wiki and Okami) has 2 resident evil games that did great. Lucasarts has Lego Star Wars (which the other Lego games might make it too one day). Electronic Arts has 1 (and a lot of sports games and Simpsons games falling short of a million worldwide). Sega has Sonic (and House of the Dead isn't too far away but still won't hit a million). And Ubisoft has Red Steel, which is essentially a party game for teens-adults.

I'm not saying it's not profitable to make games for Nintendo but I am saying that unless it's marked Nintendo or Party Game, it hasn't been proven to be an amazing seller.

I understand why Sega feels this way, and I personally like the Wii a lot. But i think that it's completely bogus that Carnival Games (2.3 million and still selling) has sold better than No More Heroes, Zack & Wiki, Okami, Boom Blox, Trauma Center: Second Opinion and de Blob COMBINED.

NMH is a new IP. NMH is a strange game from Suda 51. NMH is little to no advertiseing in most areas. ANd NMH sod 360K, not 6K, but i think thats what you ment.

 

Zack and Wiki is a new IP. Z&W had little to no advertiseing (worse than NMH) in most areas. Z&W was sold as a casual game, when its really a core game (as far as ive head). And hell, 400K is not a faliure.

 

Okami TANKED on the PS2, which 120 Mil users. Its sold better on Wii, with only 30mil users. Not to mention that it was a ported game that was 2 years old. The numbers it did sell are more than it should have sold (from a marketing prespective, i think its a great game).

 

BooM Blox has half a million. Thats not bad at all. On a whole i think this quote isnt really anything SEGA at all. Some douche talked, he doest represent SEGA. IF it was Simons that would be a different story. SEGA is publihing some great (looking) games for the Wii in the future. They give it several Sonic exclusive (and rightfully so, SATSR sold better than Sonic 06 on PS360 combined).

 




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Malachi on 07 November 2008

I can smell the fear! Delicious:)



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Xen on 07 November 2008
TruckOSaurus said:
Xen said:
FJ-Warez said:

 

Cherrypicking at the best :)

Any other star wars multiplat between PS3 and Wii? you did say star wars games sell better on it. Didn't hear of any new Rogue Squadrons.

 

Ummm... Lego Star Wars : The Complete Saga ... or maybe it's not recent enough to fit your criteria.

 

...And that's when the Wii's different userbase comes in. The game is far more kid oriented that SW: TFU is. Hell, this one even outsold the 360 version.

 



Gamerace on 07 November 2008

Thanks senortaco for the link to the whole article!

The original quote is an over-simplification but I get where he's coming from. HD consoles it's easy to make a game for their audience because developers know them well since they ARE them. It's not so easy with Wii. You either target specific sectors of the Wii market like Sega is doing with going for the over 30 crowd with HoTD:Overkill, Madworld, Conduit and even to a lesser extent with NiGHTS, Samba de Amigo, and the various Sonic. After all a lot of that 30+ crowd once owned Sega consoles... Ubisoft is targeting girls with their (icky) line-up, EA sport and board game fans and of course Sims, and there's a large untapped woman's market waiting for someone smart enough to make games for it.

OR you have to make a game with very board appeal and the only publisher who really remembers how to do that is Nintendo who never stopped making games for all ages.

Either way, unlike HD gamers who need a steady stream of game to play for long periods of time (like 6 hours... lol) many Wii gamers will play a game for a while, put it away and may not pick it up for weeks or months or only when friends are over - like a board game. Not to say they won't buy more. People usual own lots of boardgames.



 

Godot on 07 November 2008

You can say what you want Xen but the 360 is selling much more than PS3 in all multiplatform games except for football games.



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Xen on 07 November 2008
Lolcislaw said:
Xen said:

FJ-Warez said:
Xen said:
FJ-Warez said:
Xen said:
 

Translation: I got busted, I don´t have any proof or anything to backup my statement, the VG numbers are against me, I can´t spin my argument anymore, I give up :P

 

Further translation: Take any recent multiplat and see VGC numbers. Who sold more? yup. The further translation even goes into stopping to try and speak for me.

And Bodhesatva, different type of software was my intention from the beginning. The PS3, for the most part, doesn't have equivalents for Wii software save for multiplats. On which platform have multiplats sold better? that was my comparison.

 

 

I´m not trying to speak for you, I´m trying to figure out why you can´t post any proof and you leave the argument, you can´t just cherry pick: "any recent multiplat" and try to make valid your point, SW sales are bigger on the Wii, thats a fact, cherrypicking any multiplat is plain sad, because you are leaving exclusives for both systems, maybe there is a ton of shovelware on the wii, but it sells, and thats a fact...

SW: TFU sales are bigger on the Wii? according to VGC Wii is at 0.63m and PS3 is 0.75m. Just check.

The "different type of software" argument also stands. Not to mention huge difference in userbase tastes.

 

 

Wii version of SW:TFU will have great legs and it's very possible that it will outsell the PS3 version, it arleady made more money for the developer then the PS3 version because of the production costs. Games on the Wii do not have to sell that much to be a commercial success, No More Heroes (the best selling Suda game), Boom Blox, Z&W have been making nice profits for the developers (they said it). And THQ have claimed that DE Blob is on  a course to making quite a healthy sum of money, developers will continue to support wii because it makes money.

If you're so keen on Cherry picking; i can say that JRPG's do not sell on the PS3 with Tales Spin Off games on the Wii in Japan outselling Valkyria Chronicles and Eternal Sonata combined.

Red: So much legs that it'll make up 120k of sales? well, no version sells well anymore.

Blue: At least I make sense. You put a userbase nearly 3 times bigger, with a well known IP against a userbase that is vastly smaller, a completely new IP and a port of a year old, so-so game.

 



Gnizmo on 07 November 2008

Xen said:

Further translation: Take any recent multiplat and see VGC numbers. Who sold more? yup. The further translation even goes into stopping to try and speak for me.

And Bodhesatva, different type of software was my intention from the beginning. The PS3, for the most part, doesn't have equivalents for Wii software save for multiplats. On which platform have multiplats sold better? that was my comparison.

 

 This would be an amazing arguement if all games were multiplatform. Unfortunately for you nothing could be further from the truth. Wii software is higher when you include exclusive games from all platforms into their totals. It does not matter what kind of games these are, who made them, or on how many systems they appeared. All that matters is that people are buying the games, and thus are playing them.

 I could also delve into a list of games that sold better on the Wii than PS3 while being multiplatform, but it is a stupid arguement no matter how you slice it so I will refrain.



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Xen on 07 November 2008
Godot said:
You can say what you want Xen but the 360 is selling much more than PS3 in all multiplatform games except for football games.

1. Similar userbase in tastes.

2. 360 has more players, roughly 5,5 mln more, mostly on the count of America. Therefore, always performs better in America. And on that count, better overall.

3. How the hell is that even relevant to the topic? it's PS3 vs Wii.

 



Gnizmo on 07 November 2008
Xen said:

1. Similar userbase in tastes.

2. 360 has more players, roughly 5,5 mln more, mostly on the count of America. Therefore, always performs better in America.

3. How the hell is that even relevant to the topic? it's PS3 vs Wii.

 

 No it is not the topic at all. The topic is Kotaku intentionally misquoting Sega to take a swipe at the Wii. The PS3 was never involved in the original post or topic at all. Bringing in the 360 is no more irrelevant than you bringing in the PS3.



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FJ-Warez on 07 November 2008
Xen said:
TruckOSaurus said:
Xen said:
FJ-Warez said:

 

Cherrypicking at the best :)

Any other star wars multiplat between PS3 and Wii? you did say star wars games sell better on it. Didn't hear of any new Rogue Squadrons.

 

Ummm... Lego Star Wars : The Complete Saga ... or maybe it's not recent enough to fit your criteria.

 

...And that's when the Wii's different userbase comes in. The game is far more kid oriented that SW: TFU is. Hell, this one even outsold the 360 version.

 

 

Well then you can only say something like: "PS3 software outsells Wii software in some cases"...

 

BTW This is your original statement :

PS3 outsells Wii in software even with its smaller userbase.

There may be exceptions, but the PS3 usually outsells the Wii in software...



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