If it's a necessity or addiction for you to comment on every grammatical error, then that's your problem so don't make it mine.
And I hope usually I'm talking to some people and not most as most are not the ones I'm trying to talk to on this site. Those people will take the substance rather than what I may or may not think about Killzone.
Using the wrong word isn't correcting a grammatical error. I was just telling you that you used a wrong word. If you had misspelled it, I wouldn't have said a word. I don't understand why you're so pissed off about it. :P
No you understand why it pisses me off because i told you why it pissed me off. Next time I suggest, at least with me, if misues a word, which buddy is a grammatical error, then simply tell me and then comment on my post. Doing just the front one is just not good and why we are still talking right now.
flagship said: The Killzone franchise has barely broken a million units, I think I'll go with Halo Wars.
KZ1 sold 2 m units and it was a BAD GAME
On the Playstation 2, not the much less popular PS3.
Halo wars is an RTS....no one wants RTS
Some people do, that's a generalization.
KZ2 will outsell HALO 3/Gears 2....it is that good a game
Games dont' sell because of how good they are. That said, you don't know how good KZ2 is, you've never played the final copy, because it doesn't exist yet. It probably won't outsell Halo 3, because it's on a console that is more popular in europe and japan, and less popular in FPS land, the US. It's also not nearly as hyped as either of those games, and/or has much more competition.
By that time the difference betweeen PS3 and X360 will be vast
In 3 months?
I dont think x360 will remain in the market after KZ2's launch
You're kidding right?
Nothing on x360 comes remotely close to KZ2 in gameplay as well as graphics
You couldn't possible know that, but in reality, KZ2 is probably just another overhyped shooter.
Your post is very full of ignorant propoganda. I think it's best described via red inserts.
Yeah, I got you good. Also remember how wrong you were about Fable 2.
Zucas said:Is that all you got out of that post. It's more than likely used incorrectly considering sublime means outstanding. But there is nothing more that pisses me off then people who not only read one part of my post but do it because of a grammatical error. Don't correct me on my grammar because I know it's bad and read the post. There's not to many things that piss me off but that's one of them... don't nitpick my posts especially when it comes to grammar because I'm hoping your smart enough to know what I mean and if your not just ask. Don't be snarky. Now subpar was probably a better word if you are really having this many issues.
Was your first sentence a statement or a question?
A statement... why do you ask?
I think it should end with a question mark. To be honest, I was simlpy teasing you because you were annoyed by his correction of your misuse of sublime.
Zucas said:Is that all you got out of that post. It's more than likely used incorrectly considering sublime means outstanding. But there is nothing more that pisses me off then people who not only read one part of my post but do it because of a grammatical error. Don't correct me on my grammar because I know it's bad and read the post. There's not to many things that piss me off but that's one of them... don't nitpick my posts especially when it comes to grammar because I'm hoping your smart enough to know what I mean and if your not just ask. Don't be snarky. Now subpar was probably a better word if you are really having this many issues.
Was your first sentence a statement or a question?
A statement... why do you ask?
I think it should end with a question mark. To be honest, I was simlpy teasing you because you were annoyed by his correction of your misspelling of sublime.
No need to state the obvious. I know you were being snarky which is why I gave you a snarky comment back.
flagship said: The Killzone franchise has barely broken a million units, I think I'll go with Halo Wars.
KZ1 sold 2 m units and it was a BAD GAME
On the Playstation 2, not the much less popular PS3.
Halo wars is an RTS....no one wants RTS
Some people do, that's a generalization.
KZ2 will outsell HALO 3/Gears 2....it is that good a game
Games dont' sell because of how good they are. That said, you don't know how good KZ2 is, you've never played the final copy, because it doesn't exist yet. It probably won't outsell Halo 3, because it's on a console that is more popular in europe and japan, and less popular in FPS land, the US. It's also not nearly as hyped as either of those games, and/or has much more competition.
By that time the difference betweeen PS3 and X360 will be vast
In 3 months?
I dont think x360 will remain in the market after KZ2's launch
You're kidding right?
Nothing on x360 comes remotely close to KZ2 in gameplay as well as graphics
You couldn't possible know that, but in reality, KZ2 is probably just another overhyped shooter.
Your post is very full of ignorant propoganda. I think it's best described via red inserts.
Yeah, I got you good. Also remember how wrong you were about Fable 2.
You mean another overhyped shooter like Gears 2?
Gears 2 was overhyped?
I thought it was a AAA hit with critics, and is potentially going to outsell the Bible?
How was it overhyped?
Wasn't R2 hyped as being better than Gears 2 by Sony fans? Won't is sell worse and score lower? Aren't those the only quanfifiable ways we have to measure games? If Gears 2 is overhyped, what is Resistance 2...a flop?
Did you think I meant Gears 2? I think you know what I really meant.
I don't need your console war. It feeds the rich while it buries the poor. You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores. I don't need your console war.
I think it's only PS3 fanboys who think there is no RTS market for consoles. I take it that's why EA released LOTR BFME2, C&C 3 + Kanes Wrath as well as the upcoming Red Alert 3 on the 360.
Then there is Universe at War, Supreme Commander, Warhammer, Endwar and the up and coming Stormrise which is looking promising. RTS is a growing market on consoles and with the huge Xbox Live audience, developers know they have a large audience that would love to get to grips with this genre of gaming.
I have never really enjoyed a console RTS, and as an avid fan of the Strategy genre, I can safely say that most console RTS titles are gimped compared to their PC counterparts (especially so in some cases, like that of Supreme Commander).
Those buying RTS on the 360 are casual RTS players at best, and there's a reason why no RTS has yet broken the 520k mark on the console (though Halo Wars surely will).
I suggest you play a game on PS2 called GrimGrimoire, from the makers of Odin Sphere. It manages to naiil the controls, but its gameflow is designed more like Disgaea than Warcraft III.
Again, the RTS genre, I kinda hate. Real time is just frusterating in a strategy game, especially when said game has no real "good" controlling solutions even at this late date in the history of gaming. The scale of the action would never allow for a human opponent to control an army as efficiently as a well written AI program could. Kinda like playing chess with a 3 minute time limit.
The reason is obvious. The only good control method for a RTS is via a strategical mini-map, moving large numbers of units at once. However, the quandry lies in the fact that instead of actually playing the RTS, you'd be playing the mini-map..which reviewers and gamers would hate.
GrimGrimoire is about as good a RTS on a console that there has ever been. It manages to deliver a fantastic ahd humerous narrative, as well.
The DS also has a decent, but not spectacular RTS lite called Reverant Wings, that I had the misfortune of purchasing, thinking the genre might appeal to me in my later years.
Anyway, yes, it's incorrect to assume all stategy games on a console are "casual." Inferior controls, perhaps. There are quite a few games that feature a ton of depth.
I didn't say that the games are casual, but that those buying the games have a more casual attitude towards the genre. Any serious RTS'er is going to have a nice PC so they can get their RTS fix.
I'm not using the word "casual" in the stupid "OMG casual gamerz" sense, but rather I'm using the actual definition of the word.
And as you said, you generally hate RTS (except for WCIII, which is very RPG heavy for an RTS - one of the reasons I dislike the game). For guys like me, mouse and keyboard are fine tools to own some AI. And then there's the multiplayer. This is the only genre in which I readily abandon the singleplayer experience and jump right online. Everything else, it's singleplayer first, and often singleplayer only. But anywho, my point is that a console controller is extremely limiting for an RTS compared to KB/mouse, and I find using one to be quite cumbersome, if not outright frustrating.
Btw, as far as "playing the mini map" goes, have you heard of Supreme Commander? It's in my top three favorite RTS, and a large portion of the game is exactly what you describe, given it's unique scrolling feature, allowing you to zoom all the way out from a 3d map to a 2d "mini map" in real time.
You can see what I'm talking about around the 57 second mark of this video:
Zucas said:Is that all you got out of that post. It's more than likely used incorrectly considering sublime means outstanding. But there is nothing more that pisses me off then people who not only read one part of my post but do it because of a grammatical error. Don't correct me on my grammar because I know it's bad and read the post. There's not to many things that piss me off but that's one of them... don't nitpick my posts especially when it comes to grammar because I'm hoping your smart enough to know what I mean and if your not just ask. Don't be snarky. Now subpar was probably a better word if you are really having this many issues.
Was your first sentence a statement or a question?
A statement... why do you ask?
I think it should end with a question mark. To be honest, I was simlpy teasing you because you were annoyed by his correction of your misspelling of sublime.
No need to state the obvious. I know you were being snarky which is why I gave you a snarky comment back.
It was not snarky. It was simply good-natured teasing.
I think it's only PS3 fanboys who think there is no RTS market for consoles. I take it that's why EA released LOTR BFME2, C&C 3 + Kanes Wrath as well as the upcoming Red Alert 3 on the 360.
Then there is Universe at War, Supreme Commander, Warhammer, Endwar and the up and coming Stormrise which is looking promising. RTS is a growing market on consoles and with the huge Xbox Live audience, developers know they have a large audience that would love to get to grips with this genre of gaming.
I have never really enjoyed a console RTS, and as an avid fan of the Strategy genre, I can safely say that most console RTS titles are gimped compared to their PC counterparts (especially so in some cases, like that of Supreme Commander).
Those buying RTS on the 360 are casual RTS players at best, and there's a reason why no RTS has yet broken the 520k mark on the console (though Halo Wars surely will).
I suggest you play a game on PS2 called GrimGrimoire, from the makers of Odin Sphere. It manages to naiil the controls, but its gameflow is designed more like Disgaea than Warcraft III.
Again, the RTS genre, I kinda hate. Real time is just frusterating in a strategy game, especially when said game has no real "good" controlling solutions even at this late date in the history of gaming. The scale of the action would never allow for a human opponent to control an army as efficiently as a well written AI program could. Kinda like playing chess with a 3 minute time limit.
The reason is obvious. The only good control method for a RTS is via a strategical mini-map, moving large numbers of units at once. However, the quandry lies in the fact that instead of actually playing the RTS, you'd be playing the mini-map..which reviewers and gamers would hate.
GrimGrimoire is about as good a RTS on a console that there has ever been. It manages to deliver a fantastic ahd humerous narrative, as well.
The DS also has a decent, but not spectacular RTS lite called Reverant Wings, that I had the misfortune of purchasing, thinking the genre might appeal to me in my later years.
Anyway, yes, it's incorrect to assume all stategy games on a console are "casual." Inferior controls, perhaps. There are quite a few games that feature a ton of depth.
I didn't say that the games are casual, but that those buying the games have a more casual attitude towards the genre. Any serious RTS'er is going to have a nice PC so they can get their RTS fix.
I'm not using the word "casual" in the stupid "OMG casual gamerz" sense, but rather I'm using the actual definition of the word.
And as you said, you generally hate RTS (except for WCIII, which is very RPG heavy for an RTS - one of the reasons I dislike the game). For guys like me, mouse and keyboard are fine tools to own some AI.
If a game has the balls to create an AI engine that really tried to win, as cheaply as a human does....I'm not talking about in game AI. I'm talking about potential. With a fighting game, or a RPG, a human has the potential to bring the maximum possible efficiency to a moveset. In a RTS, the computer can perform multiple orders at once. A human can't. You get my drift?
I don't need your console war. It feeds the rich while it buries the poor. You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores. I don't need your console war.
Zucas said:Is that all you got out of that post. It's more than likely used incorrectly considering sublime means outstanding. But there is nothing more that pisses me off then people who not only read one part of my post but do it because of a grammatical error. Don't correct me on my grammar because I know it's bad and read the post. There's not to many things that piss me off but that's one of them... don't nitpick my posts especially when it comes to grammar because I'm hoping your smart enough to know what I mean and if your not just ask. Don't be snarky. Now subpar was probably a better word if you are really having this many issues.
Was your first sentence a statement or a question?
A statement... why do you ask?
I think it should end with a question mark. To be honest, I was simlpy teasing you because you were annoyed by his correction of your misspelling of sublime.
No need to state the obvious. I know you were being snarky which is why I gave you a snarky comment back.
It was not snarky. It was simply good-natured teasing.
yes defined good natured. It's usually hard to have good natured teasing through words considering the good-natured part can only be found out through emotional expression. Now without a smiley face how was I supposed to figure that out haha.
Dodece said: Three factors that nobody has considered.
The first factor is Microsoft will dissolve Ensemble after the release of this title. Were they to have had high hopes for this becoming a franchise they most assuredly would not be obliterating the team responsible. This does not speak to high confidence in either the title or this particular genre on the console.
The second factor dovetails with the first. Microsoft is not going to heavily market this title. Despite the license they must know this is a niche title, and not what Halo fans are specifically looking for. Even Nintendo doesn't heavily market third string Mario titles such as Super Mario Sluggers. Nintendo looks to Mario being on the box selling the title. The same as Microsoft probably hopes Master Chief will sell more copies of a RTS title.
The third factor is the holy trinity for the PS3. Every console has a holy trinity of games decided upon by gamers at launch. The three titles that justify the purchase of a console. For the PS3 it was Final Fantasy XIII, Metal Gear Solid 4, and Killzone 2. Oh and do not dump a load of revisionism about Final Fantasy XIII on me. The point is I can think of only one holy trinity game out of all three consoles that did not go totally gang busters. Most of them have sold well in excess of five million. The only exception being Metroid Prime which sold a paltry 1.42 million units. Still that will probably top Halo Wars.
Halo Wars will get a very high average reviews probably over ninety given how well Civilization Revolution was received. I have played Civilization 4, and honestly I felt the console version was painfully watered down. So the reviews will be on par it is good to be a big fish in a small pond, but the sales will be nowhere similar.
How is KZ2 in the holy trinity of PS3 games all of the sudden? The first one was subpar and only a few have touched KZ2. I'd say it's God of War 3.
It's not. It's just fanboy revisionist history trying to make ps3 owners look bad for hyping a "bad" game (which is stupid, because KZ2 is actually turning out to be a really good game, if the beta is anything to go by).
When the ps3 launched, all we had gotten from Killzone 2 was a CGI trailer that recieved serious backlash from...just about everybody. We knew nothing of the title, and hype was pretty low. Hype didn't really start building until the game was re-unveiled at E307. To say the game was included in some sort of "holy trinity" at launch is ludicrous.
