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Final-Fan on 06 November 2008

What if a bisexual couple (one male, one female) get married, but then one of them gets a sex change but they're still cool with each other and stay married? Would they have to switch to the gay version or would they be grandfathered in?



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The Ghost of RubangB on 06 November 2008
Final-Fan said:

What if a bisexual couple (one male, one female) get married, but then one of them gets a sex change but they're still cool with each other and stay married? Would they have to switch to the gay version or would they be grandfathered in?

Holy shit.  I'd never thought of that.  I just laughed so hard here in the computer lab at school.  This is my new favorite argument.

I can legally marry my cousin in California.

 

Also, can gay men marry lesbians, if they plan on never having kids or sex or even talking to each other?

 



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Senlis on 06 November 2008

I have never heard of this process sublimation. But it seems that it cannot be solid and and gaseous at the same time. It just has no liquid state in between.

As for the rest of my argument, I'll just let Thomas Sowell argue it for me.

http://townhall.com/columnists/ThomasSowell/2008/11/05/affirmative_action_and_gay_marriage

" Marriage has existed for centuries and, until recent times, it has always meant a union between a man and a woman. Over those centuries, a vast array of laws has grown up, all based on circumstances that arise in unions between a man and a woman.

Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes said that law has not been based on logic but on experience. To apply a mountain of laws based specifically on experience with relations between a man and a woman to a different relationship where sex differences are not involved would be like applying the rules of baseball to football. "

There is more, and if you disagree, you can send your arguments to Thomas.




 

SnesTea on 06 November 2008
mrstickball said:
starcraft said:
steven787 said:
mrstickball said:
Now what civil rights are we against, again?

Gay Marriage, Affirmative Action, Equal Education funding, Litigation legislation protecting corporations from discrimination suits...

Do you want me to keep going or do you want me to provide examples of Republican racists?

Er what?

Gay marriage isn't a civil right.  Legal recognition of economic co-dependance is.  Marriage is a religious institution, and I cannot for the life of me understand why homosexuals want a label that has identified so closely with religions that dont support them for thousands of years.

Affirmative action was a necessary policy, but in some respects it has begun to work in reverse.  I am not ready to say it should go, but it certainly needs to be reviewed.

Equal education funding?  Being Australian I can't tell you specifics of US policies but I'm guessing there is not Republican policy opposing equal access to education.

I could argue that Affirmative Action has become racist....

 

1) And you think that Republicans are against legal recognition of economic co-dependance?

2) Affirmative action was nessecary, but it does NOW need to go. All it's doing is putting unqualified people into positions and places that they are doing far more harm than good. Would you want a doctor that was put there due to AA, and not for his abililty to perform good quality surgeries? And since AA needs to go....Which party do you think will actually take a stand on bringing it down and ending racial inequalities?

3) Actually, republicans want better access to all types of schools. We have something wonderful in America called "homeschooling" and "private schools" that the Democrats absolutely hate. They also are far cheaper to fund, and give kids better education - Republicans want to give vouchers to said school choices (just as much as public school) to ensure true school choice.

 

 

And Charter schools as well.



akuma587 on 06 November 2008

Rubang, your not going to convince any of these people in this thread. No matter how many logical flaws are in a person's argument against gay marriage, they will cling to it like a sinking ship because they never wanted to be convinced in the first place.



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Kasz216 on 06 November 2008
stof said:
I'd just like to say that while I wanted Obama to win, I respect McCain incredibly. In fact, One of my greatest regrets in America's history (right after that whole slavery thing), is that McCain didn't beat bush in the 2000 primaries.

He's a tough, intelligent, honorable man and I wish him the best. I hope it's realized that it was not him, but Bush, that lost the Republican's the 2008 election.


ok... Palin takes some blame too.

 

Eh... i got one more to put infront of the list there.  One that probably will bite Akuma a bit...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trail_of_Tears

Actually two...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_interment



Kasz216 on 06 November 2008
steven787 said:
mrstickball said:
Now what civil rights are we against, again?

 

 

Gay Marriage, Affirmative Action, Equal Education funding, Litigation legislation protecting corporations from discrimination suits...

Do you want me to keep going or do you want me to provide examples of Republican racists?

I would actually say people who are for affirmitive action are the ones voting agaisnt civil rights...

I mean... affirmitive action shouldn't even be ruled constiutional.

It's specifically treating people soley based on the color of their skin.



akuma587 on 06 November 2008

Yeah, the Trail of Tears is about as fucked up as you can get. Fuck Andrew Jackson by the way. The Japanese internment was pretty bad too, but that was peaches and cream compared to the Trail of Tears.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson

Kasz216 on 06 November 2008
akuma587 said:
Yeah, the Trail of Tears is about as fucked up as you can get. Fuck Andrew Jackson by the way. The Japanese internment was pretty bad too, but that was peaches and cream compared to the Trail of Tears.

Yeah... but still worse then McCain not being elected president.

Of course there's also the way Texas and Hawaii both became states...

 



akuma587 on 06 November 2008

I actually don't know how Hawaii became a state.



We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls.  The only thing that really worried me was the ether.  There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke

It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson