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theRepublic said:
NYANKS said:
Shanobi said:
What an ignorant article. Point out the "waggle", but not every other thing that the controls have brought to gaming.

No mention of how critics and fans feel games like Madden, and Resident Evil 4 have been much improved by the controls.

Nope, just fanboy trolling from somebody on gamasutra. Congrats on posting a turd.

 

 I guarantee those Madden fans are not in the majority. He could have made the argument better, but negative opinions of the Wii abound, so why is it not valid. All the systems take shit.

The draw your own route feature has received a lot of high praise in the most recent Madden.  That's another control feature I forgot to mention in my last post.

 Yeah, the fans don't want to make the switch though because Madden is basically all they play and they don't want to lose their competitive edge having to learn everything all over again.

 



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I thought the article would have some good points - but it doesn't.

Waggle is NOT a failure - like all new techs, it got implemented badly in some software. In other software (where it is appropriate), it is fantastic.

Playing WarioLand:Shake now - and it is excellent. Although its "just" a 2D platformer, to me it feels completely different from the other platformers I have played - primarily because of the Shake/Waggle aspect. It is very well implemented.

WiiSports is single-handedly responsible for the success of the Wii - and the Wiimote lies at the centre of that. Its not about perfect 1:1 control - and never was. Its about how motion can be used successfully in a video game, and how this gets people interested in games that were never interested before. The same applies to WiiFit.

And this is why - overall - the Wii has been a raging success. After all - launching a year after the 360, in just two years it has outsold the 360 + PS3 combined (approx) - without a single price cut, new SKU, new colour, etc.

...

As usual, the hardcores feel "cheated" and like to justify themselves. Motion + will represent a type of "relaunch" for the Wii - you can be sure that most of the "hardcore" games coming for it, will use it in some form.

Then, maybe it will get some of its "hardcore" cred back - and a couple of years later, we might see the promise of the Wii HD...



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I disagree with the article. I play almost everyday with my Wii!!!



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Good read. Ninty needs to focus more on its hardcore users instead of casual shovelware. Whatever happened to the Official Nintendo Seal of Quality?



halogamer1989 said:
Good read. Ninty needs to focus more on its hardcore users instead of casual shovelware. Whatever happened to the Official Nintendo Seal of Quality?

I would like for you to point out some shovelware made by Nintendo.  All of their games are of very high quality.  If all third parties made games as good as Nintendo's, we would be in gamer heaven.

The Nintendo Seal of Quality only really meant that the game was guarenteed to work with their console.  It was not meant that it was a quality game.  If you are talking about the days that Nintendo limited how many games third parties could release a year on the consoles, that was part of the reason so many fled to Sony and the PS1.  That would be bad for Nintendo.

Nintendo has plenty of hardcore games currently on the market, and are in the process of developing more.  Games do take time, you know.



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theRepublic said:
halogamer1989 said:
Good read. Ninty needs to focus more on its hardcore users instead of casual shovelware. Whatever happened to the Official Nintendo Seal of Quality?

I would like for you to point out some shovelware made by Nintendo.  All of their games are of very high quality.  If all third parties made games as good as Nintendo's, we would be in gamer heaven.

The Nintendo Seal of Quality only really meant that the game was guarenteed to work with their console.  It was not meant that it was a quality game.  If you are talking about the days that Nintendo limited how many games third parties could release a year on the consoles, that was part of the reason so many fled to Sony and the PS1.  That would be bad for Nintendo.

Nintendo has plenty of hardcore games currently on the market, and are in the process of developing more.  Games do take time, you know.

The current seal does not include quality in its title, btw.  Nintendo also lowered their standards. Jenga and Pool Party are examples, btw.

 



Ok, back to the article...

It's not like everything published in Gamasutra is true. Didn't you read the first word of the title? Opinion. And a very subjective and undocumented one, by the way.




halogamer1989 said:
theRepublic said:
halogamer1989 said:
Good read. Ninty needs to focus more on its hardcore users instead of casual shovelware. Whatever happened to the Official Nintendo Seal of Quality?

I would like for you to point out some shovelware made by Nintendo.  All of their games are of very high quality.  If all third parties made games as good as Nintendo's, we would be in gamer heaven.

The Nintendo Seal of Quality only really meant that the game was guarenteed to work with their console.  It was not meant that it was a quality game.  If you are talking about the days that Nintendo limited how many games third parties could release a year on the consoles, that was part of the reason so many fled to Sony and the PS1.  That would be bad for Nintendo.

Nintendo has plenty of hardcore games currently on the market, and are in the process of developing more.  Games do take time, you know.

The current seal does not include quality in its title, btw.  Nintendo also lowered their standards. Jenga and Pool Party are examples, btw.

 

The Nintendo seal of quailty was just a way for Nintendo to display which games were officially licenced ... It really had nothing to do with quality at all.

Shovelware has always been a massive problem on popular systems because off of the initial shipments to stores very low budget games can be very profitable. Just look at the PS2 (this is by no means a complete list, and there are hundreds of games which were so bad they weren't even reviewed):

Title
Plat
Company
Reviews
Avg.
Vote
Avg
Score
1. Charlie's Angels PS2 Ubisoft 1 2.6 --
2. Smarties: Meltdown PS2 Europress 1 1.0 10.000%
3. Operation Air Assault PS2 Midas Interactive Entertainment 1 3.3 10.000%
4. Xena Warrior Princess PS2 Blast! Entertainment Ltd 1 -- 10.000%
5. Robin Hood's Quest PS2 Oxygen Interactive 1 3.7 10.000%
6. NRA Gun Club PS2 Crave 1 1.0 16.000%
7. Little Britain The Video Game PS2 Blast! Entertainment Ltd 7 1.0 16.000%
8. Robocop PS2 Titus Software 1 4.3 20.000%
9. London Taxi Rush Hour PS2 Data Design Interactive 1 5.0 20.000%
10. Rig Racer 2 PS2 Metro3D 1 3.3 20.000%
11. WWII: Tank Battles PS2 Midas Interactive Entertainment 1 6.0 20.000%
12. Barbie in The 12 Dancing Princesses PS2 Activision 1 4.5 20.000%
13. Winter Sports PS2 Oxygen Interactive 1 6.0 20.000%
14. Metal Slug (2006) PS2 SNK Playmore 1 7.5 20.000%
15. Garfield PS2 Hip Games 1 5.7 20.000%
16. Jeep Thrills PS2 Zoo Digital Publishing 1 -- 20.000%
17. Biathlon 2008 PS2 Conspiracy Entertainment 1 -- 20.000%
18. Cyclone Circus PS2 Playlogic 2 3.3 20.000%
19. Barbie Horse Adventures: Wild Horse Rescue PS2 Universal Interactive 2 1.6 20.000%
20. Gene Troopers PS2 Playlogic 2 4.8 20.000%
21. Quest For Sleeping Beauty PS2 Oxygen Interactive 2 4.0 20.000%
22. Horsez PS2 Ubisoft 1 7.0 21.000%
23. Drive to Survive PS2 VU Games 1 4.8 23.000%
24. Monster Jam PS2 Activision 1 -- 23.000%
25. Riding Star PS2 SVG Distribution 2 -- 23.000%
26. Earache Extreme Metal Racing PS2 Metro3D 7 7.0 23.286%
27. Conspiracy: Weapons of Mass Destruction PS2 Oxygen Interactive 7 4.7 24.000%
28. Biker Mice from Mars PS2 The Game Factory 4 4.0 24.750%
29. Miami Vice PS2 Davilex 6 5.4 25.083%
30. RealPlay Puzzlesphere PS2 In2Games 4 -- 25.750%
31. George of the Jungle and the Search for the Secret PS2 Crave 6 3.0 26.333%
32. Knight Rider 2 PS2 Davilex 12 4.0 26.500%
33. RealPlay Racing PS2 In2Games 5 -- 27.000%
34. Crazy Frog Racer PS2 SVG Distribution 5 2.1 27.800%
35. Crazy Frog Racer 2 PS2 Digital Jesters 7 1.0 28.143%
36. IHRA Drag Racing: Sportsman Edition PS2 Bethesda Softworks 2 3.2 28.500%
37. Legend of the Dragon PS2 The Game Factory 4 4.7 28.500%
38. Space Invaders: Invasion Day PS2 Big Ben Interactive 1 4.3 30.000%
39. Hamster Heroes PS2 Metro3D 1 1.0 30.000%
40. Stock Car Crash PS2 Midas Interactive Entertainment 1 7.0 30.000%
41. Sprint Car Challenge PS2 Liquid Games 1 1.0 30.000%
42. London Racer Destruction Madness PS2 Davilex 1 4.5 30.000%
43. Cocoto Fishing Master PS2 Conspiracy Entertainment 1 -- 30.000%
44. Sea Monsters: A Prehistoric Adventure PS2 DSI Games 1 -- 30.000%
45. Kaido Racer 2 PS2 Konami 1 -- 30.000%
46. Mountain Bike Adrenaline PS2 Valcon Games 1 -- 30.000%
47. Euro Rally Champion PS2 Oxygen Interactive 2 6.9 30.000%
48. Samurai Shodown V PS2 SNK 3 7.4 30.000%
49. Hannah Montana: Spotlight World Tour PS2 Disney Interactive 2 -- 30.250%
50. IHRA Professional Drag Racing 2005 PS2 Bethesda Softworks 1 4.7 31.000%
51. Trigger Man PS2 Crave 2 4.6 31.000%
52. Ninjabread Man PS2 Metro3D 3 5.7 31.000%
53. Frogger: The Great Quest PS2 Konami 9 3.9 31.556%
54. DT Racer PS2 XS Games 1 4.8 32.000%
55. AMF Xtreme Bowling PS2 Mud Duck Productions 3 3.7 32.000%
56. McFarlane's Evil Prophecy PS2 Konami 26 5.3 32.450%
57. The X-Factor: Sing PS2 Lago 3 7.0 32.667%
58. GoDai: Elemental Force PS2 3DO 13 3.0 32.692%
59. Crime Life: Gang Wars PS2 Konami 5 3.9 33.200%
60. Formula Challenge PS2 Oxygen Interactive 8 3.2 33.500%
61. Jeremy McGrath Supercross World PS2 Acclaim 12 3.4 34.083%
62. Women's Volleyball Championship PS2 Agetec Inc. 6 -- 34.833%
63. RC Sports: Copter Challenge PS2   1 3.0 35.000%
64. Disney Princess: Enchanted Journey PS2 Disney Interactive Studios 1 -- 35.000%
65. SnoCross 2: Featuring Blair Morgan PS2 Crave 2 6.0 35.000%
66. Jumper: Griffin's Story PS2 Brash Entertainment 2 1.0 35.000%
67. Classic British Motor Racing PS2 Metro3D 3 2.0 35.000%
68. Heavenly Guardian PS2 UFO Interactive 2 -- 35.000%
69. The History Channel: Great Battles of Rome PS2 Black Bean Games 5 -- 35.200%
70. Alvin and the Chipmunks PS2 Brash Entertainment 4 -- 35.250%
71. Family Feud (2006) PS2 Global Star Software 3 4.5 35.667%
72. Fight Club PS2 VU Games 32 5.1 35.844%
73. World Championship Cards PS2 Crave 2 -- 36.000%
74. Garfield: Lasagna World Tour PS2 Conspiracy Entertainment 2 -- 36.000%
75. Falling Stars PS2 Agetec Inc. 6 -- 36.167%
76. Evolution Snowboarding PS2 Konami 14 5.0 36.429%
77. Steel Dragon EX PS2 D3 2 -- 36.500%
78. Gravity Games Bike: Street Vert Dirt PS2 Midway 23 3.5 36.522%
79. Final Armada PS2 Virgin Play 9 -- 36.556%
80. Butt Ugly Martians: Zoom or Doom! PS2 Crave 5 3.1 36.600%
81. Harley-Davidson Motorcycles: Race to the Rally PS2 Activision 5 2.8 37.200%
82. Pimp My Ride PS2 Activision 9 5.4 37.222%
83. 7 Sins PS2 Digital Jesters 4 4.4 37.250%
84. Top Gun PS2 Blast! Entertainment Ltd 2 -- 37.500%
85. The Simpsons Skateboarding PS2 Electronic Arts 26 4.5 37.577%
86. Army Men: Green Rogue PS2 3DO 24 3.0 37.861%
87. The Shield PS2 Aspyr 22 6.7 37.909%
88. Fame Academy PS2 Ubisoft 1 4.0 38.000%
89. Premier Manager 2002/2003 Season PS2 Zoo Corporation 3 3.6 38.000%
90. Looney Tunes: Acme Arsenal PS2 Warner Bros. Interactive Entertainment 10 -- 38.250%
91. MTV's Celebrity Deathmatch PS2 Gotham Games 24 4.1 38.271%
92. Terminator 3: Rise of the Machines PS2 Atari 37 3.9 38.608%
93. Bad Boys: Miami Takedown PS2 Crave 21 5.4 39.095%
94. Airborne Troops: Countdown to D-Day PS2 Mud Duck Productions 4 4.1 39.250%
95. Charlie and the Chocolate Factory PS2 Global Star Software 28 4.2 39.286%
96. World Championship Paintball PS2 THQ 4 -- 39.500%
97. Pool Paradise: International Edition PS2 Conspiracy Entertainment 1 -- 40.000%
98. Freak Out - Extreme Freeride PS2 JoWood Productions 1 -- 40.000%
99. Barbie as The Island Princess PS2 Activision 1 -- 40.000%
100. Power Rangers: Super Legends PS2 Disney Interactive Studios 1 -- 40.000%
101. High Rollers Casino PS2 Bethesda Softworks 2 4.1 40.000%
102. Ford Racing: Off Road PS2 Strategy First 5 -- 40.200%
103. Spy vs. Spy PS2 Global Star Software 9 5.1 40.222%
104. Zatch Bell! Mamodo Fury PS2 Namco Bandai Games America 9 4.0 40.667%
105. Godzilla Unleashed PS2 Atari 25 -- 40.800%
106. Knight Rider PS2 Koch Media 9 4.8 40.889%
107. Fugitive Hunter: War on Terror PS2 Encore Software, Inc. 18 3.7 40.889%
108. RealPlay Golf PS2 In2Games 5 -- 41.000%
109. Surfing H3O PS2 Rockstar Games 25 3.6 41.093%
110. Aqua Teen Hunger Force Zombie Ninja Pro-Am PS2 Midway 17 -- 41.353%
111. Fantastic 4: Rise of the Silver Surfer PS2 Take-Two Interactive 8 -- 41.500%
112. Everblue PS2 Capcom 9 5.6 41.556%
113. History Channel: Battle for the Pacific PS2 Activision 3 -- 41.667%
114. The Mummy: Tomb of the Dragon Emperor PS2 Sierra Entertainment 6 -- 41.667%
115. 25 to Life PS2 Eidos Interactive 23 5.7 41.674%
116. Antz Extreme Racing PS2 Empire Interactive 14 2.8 41.786%
117. Driven PS2 Bam Entertainment 17 3.3 41.922%
118. Le Tour de France PS2 Konami 1 3.8 42.000%
119. Avatar - The Last Airbender: Into the Inferno PS2 THQ 1 -- 42.000%
120. Ben Hur: Blood of Braves PS2 Microids 6 4.9 42.167%
121. Xiaolin Showdown PS2 Konami 16 8.7 42.250%
122. Eureka Seven Vol. 2: The New Vision PS2 Namco Bandai Games America 17 -- 42.353%
123. Dai Senryaku VII: Exceed PS2 Valcon Games 2 -- 42.500%
124. Alfa Romeo Racing Italiano PS2 Valcon Games 2 4.9 42.500%
125. Alan Hansen's Sports Challenge PS2 Oxygen Interactive 4 -- 42.500%
126. Ultimate Board Game Collection PS2 Valcon Games 5 4.0 42.600%
127. MetropolisMania 2 PS2 Natsume 4 -- 42.750%
128. The Legend of Alon D'ar PS2 Ubisoft 15 5.2 42.800%
129. King of Clubs PS2 Oxygen Interactive 6 -- 42.833%
130. Le Tour de France: Centenary Edition PS2 Konami 7 6.3 42.857%
131. Lowrider PS2 Jaleco Entertainment 12 4.9 42.892%
132. 7 Wonders of the Ancient World PS2 MumboJumbo 2 -- 43.000%
133. Motocross Mania 3 PS2 Global Star Software 3 4.9 43.000%
134. Masters of the Universe He-Man: Defender of Grayskull PS2 Midas Interactive Entertainment 3 3.2 43.000%
135. The Polar Express PS2 THQ 8 4.3 43.000%
136. Panzer Elite Action: Fields of Glory PS2 JoWood Productions 4 4.8 43.500%
137. The Sopranos: Road to Respect PS2 THQ 26 4.4 43.654%
138. The Hustle: Detroit Streets PS2 Activision Value 4 5.3 43.750%
139. Yetisports Arctic Adventure PS2 JoWood Productions 1 2.3 44.000%
140. Paris-Dakar Rally PS2 Acclaim 15 3.8 44.133%
141. Backyard Baseball 2007 PS2 Atari 5 1.8 44.200%
142. Arctic Thunder PS2 Midway 32 4.2 44.209%
143. Cheggers' Party Quiz PS2 Oxygen Interactive 7 -- 44.286%
144. Pirates: Legend of the Black Buccaneer PS2 Valcon Games 2 5.8 44.500%
145. Breeders' Cup World Thoroughbred Championships PS2 Bethesda Softworks 2 5.4 44.500%
146. Sprint Cars 2: Showdown at Eldora PS2 THQ 2 -- 44.500%
147. Hidden Invasion PS2 Conspiracy Entertainment 5 4.4 44.600%
148. Torino 2006 - the Official Video Game of the XX Olympic Winter Games PS2 2K Sports 25 3.3 44.676%
149. Army Men: Sarge's War PS2 Global Star Software 6 5.0 44.833%
150. Cabela's Monster Bass PS2 Activision 1 -- 45.000%
151. Super Pick Ups PS2 XS Games 1 -- 45.000%
152. SpongeBob SquarePants featuring Nicktoons: Globs of Doom PS2 THQ 1 -- 45.000%
153. Next Generation Tennis 2003 PS2 Wanadoo 1 3.3 45.000%
154. International Cricket Captain III PS2 Empire Interactive 2 -- 45.000%
155. Ultimate Sky Surfer PS2 The Idea Factory 4 4.1 45.000%
156. Superman Returns: The Videogame PS2 EA Games 22 5.3 45.068%
157. Digimon World Data Squad PS2 Namco Bandai Games America 10 9.0 45.100%
158. Twin Caliber PS2 Rage Software 5 4.1 45.400%
159. The Guy Game PS2 Gathering 17 5.6 45.429%
160. American Chopper PS2 Activision Value 4 4.2 45.500%
161. RealPlay Pool PS2 In2Games 4 -- 45.500%
162. Zathura PS2 2K Games 18 5.3 45.778%
163. Mercedes-Benz World Racing PS2 TDK Mediactive 5 4.3 45.800%
164. Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon PS2 Ubisoft 35 6.3 45.971%
165. The Golden Compass PS2 Sega 9 -- 46.111%
166. Trivial Pursuit Unhinged PS2 Atari 6 4.3 46.167%
167. Powerdrome PS2 Mud Duck Productions 5 5.3 46.400%
168. Shifters PS2 3DO 20 5.2 46.425%
169. Final Fight: Streetwise PS2 Capcom 42 6.3 46.495%
170. 50 Cent: Bulletproof PS2 VU Games 20 4.4 46.515%
171. Shrek: Super Party PS2 TDK Mediactive 9 4.4 46.556%
172. Swashbucklers: Blue vs. Grey PS2 Atari 16 7.5 46.625%
173. Premier Manager 08 PS2 Zoo Digital Publishing 3 -- 46.667%
174. Pilot Down: Behind Enemy Lines PS2 Oxygen Interactive 5 4.0 46.800%
175. Without Warning PS2 Capcom 29 5.4 46.852%
176. Jonny Moseley Mad Trix PS2 3DO 24 4.7 46.992%
177. David Beckham Soccer PS2 Majesco Games 6 4.3 47.000%
178. Flushed Away PS2 D3 10 5.3 47.100%
179. Made Man PS2 Aspyr 18 3.8 47.111%
180. Top Trumps: Dr. Who PS2 Eidos Interactive 3 -- 47.333%
181. Saint Seiya: The Hades PS2 Namco Bandai Games 3 5.6 47.333%
182. Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 2: Battle Nexus PS2 Konami 27 6.1 47.333%
183. Alpine Racer 3 PS2 Namco 11 4.2 47.418%
184. The Powerpuff Girls: Relish Rampage PS2 Bam Entertainment 9 3.2 47.444%
185. Mike Tyson Heavyweight Boxing PS2 Codemasters 28 4.4 47.543%
186. Catwoman PS2 EA Games 34 3.6 47.574%
187. NCAA Final Four 2001 PS2 SCEA 18 3.4 47.667%
188. Club Football PS2 Codemasters 4 6.6 47.750%
189. Mobile Suit Gundam Seed: Never Ending Tomorrow PS2 Bandai 25 4.4 47.760%
190. Cartoon Network Racing PS2 The Game Factory 13 5.8 47.846%
191. State of Emergency 2 PS2 SouthPeak Games 43 6.7 47.900%
192. Red Ninja: End of Honor PS2 VU Games 23 5.1 48.096%
193. Open Season PS2 Ubisoft 6 8.0 48.167%
194. Power Rangers Dino Thunder PS2 THQ 6 3.1 48.167%
195. Let's Make a Soccer Team! PS2 Sega Europe 8 4.3 48.200%
196. Salt Lake 2002 PS2 Eidos Interactive 15 3.7 48.333%
197. Dragon Rage PS2 3DO 9 4.1 48.444%
198. Dr. Seuss' The Cat in the Hat PS2 VU Games 13 3.3 48.462%
199. D.I.C.E. PS2 Bandai 20 5.1 48.550%
200. Dakar 2 PS2 Acclaim 9 5.3 48.556%

 



Biker Mice from Mars rule! The hell?

Wait i'm thinking of the SNES version. They made a PS2 version?



"Consumers, many of whom have never played games before, have been picking up a Wii, enjoying it for a few weeks, and then watching it collect dust by their TV. They can’t explain why, but for some reason they just don’t play it anymore."

Turned it off at that part.