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Graphics come and Graphics go. Today's graphics are tommorow's dull remnants of generations past. Every generation will have better graphics, if you want better graphics, all you need do is wait, if you want better games though, you look for innovation and immersion, not pretty eye candy alone. I'd rather have games I can play years from now rather than games whose selling points are how they looked this current generation.

Ideologies of Impressive graphics are ultimately short term investments and appeal essentially to the lowest common denominator of those who desire immediate gratification like children who can't sit down to watch a movie if there isn't an explosion every five minutes or multi-million dollar CGi special effects. No one is saying graphics don't matter what-so-ever, but in themselves they benefit the longevity and replay value of games in no way what-so-ever and are a moot point of basis for building a console's reputation around (360/PS3).

The argument here is not that the Wii has the best graphics in the world, or that graphics suddenly matter now that there is some merit to bolster its hidden potential. The argument here is that the Wii's graphics are not the sin in the eyes of gaming that 360/PS3 advocates would have others think. And to be honest, only the most vain of fanboys would argue that differences in dpi make any difference in an era where most people don't own HDTVs. Its not everyone else's fault that some gamers chose to jump on the corporate band wagon of HD before it became practical and now feel its everyone else's obligation to get a second job and follow suit.

Perhaps the greatest irony is that long-term Sony fans only now act like graphics are something worth caring about.



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^^ Well said.



Hus said:

Grow up and stop trolling.

LeroyBrown said:

Graphics come and Graphics go. Today's graphics are tommorow's dull remnants of generations past. Every generation will have better graphics, if you want better graphics, all you need do is wait, if you want better games though, you look for innovation and immersion, not pretty eye candy alone. I'd rather have games I can play years from now rather than games whose selling points are how they looked this current generation.

Ideologies of Impressive graphics are ultimately short term investments and appeal essentially to the lowest common denominator of those who desire immediate gratification like children who can't sit down to watch a movie if there isn't an explosion every five minutes or multi-million dollar CGi special effects. No one is saying graphics don't matter what-so-ever, but in themselves they benefit the longevity and replay value of games in no way what-so-ever and are a moot point of basis for building a console's reputation around (360/PS3).

The argument here is not that the Wii has the best graphics in the world, or that graphics suddenly matter now that there is some merit to bolster its hidden potential. The argument here is that the Wii's graphics are not the sin in the eyes of gaming that 360/PS3 advocates would have others think. And to be honest, only the most vain of fanboys would argue that differences in dpi make any difference in an era where most people don't own HDTVs. Its not everyone else's fault that some gamers chose to jump on the corporate band wagon of HD before it became practical and now feel its everyone else's obligation to get a second job and follow suit.

Perhaps the greatest irony is that long-term Sony fans only now act like graphics are something worth caring about.

 

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"Graphics come and Graphics go. Today's graphics are tommorow's dull remnants of generations past. Every generation will have better graphics, if you want better graphics, all you need do is wait, if you want better games though, you look for innovation and immersion, not pretty eye candy alone. I'd rather have games I can play years from now rather than games whose selling points are how they looked this current generation."

In terms of graphics, I feel we are at a point where they are good enough. In fact I believe they were good enough during the last generation. Even HD is not much of an improvement from that standpoint.

What  we need are technologies that are immersive, and Wii's fully (SIXAXIS really is a gimmick) motion-sensitive controller. With Wii, I am Link; I am Mario; I am Samus. 



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Game_boy said:

"Graphics come and Graphics go. Today's graphics are tommorow's dull remnants of generations past. Every generation will have better graphics, if you want better graphics, all you need do is wait, if you want better games though, you look for innovation and immersion, not pretty eye candy alone. I'd rather have games I can play years from now rather than games whose selling points are how they looked this current generation."

In terms of graphics, I feel we are at a point where they are good enough. In fact I believe they were good enough during the last generation. Even HD is not much of an improvement from that standpoint.

What we need are technologies that are immersive, and Wii's fully (SIXAXIS really is a gimmick) motion-sensitive controller. With Wii, I am Link; I am Mario; I am Samus.


 Yeah, Six Axis is a Gimmick, and Wiimote is the future... same chip tho.

 

Actually I feel that graphics for the 'next gen' games are about as good as they will ever get on average. Like said in another old antique thread. Games last gen cost 20-40 million. Games this gen 'could' cost upwards of 100+ million. More than a full fledged blockbuster movie! The power of the PS3/360 can be tapped, useing crude pure polygon pushers, and such, but the problem is a true amazing quality model takes so damn long to make, and costs so damn much. To immerse the player beyond a PS3/360, game budgets will beging to pass Blockbuster movies almost every time.

The graphics on the PS3/360 are for keeps, while the graphics on the Wii, isnt even a full generational step. The Wii is 5 years older than the GC, the Wii should be ~8x faster. Not *at best* 3x faster. That's a generational step. Every 18 months a new generation of hardware comes out. Meaning the Wii would be a fitting 'next' gen at best, 1 year before the 360 came out, which did a skip-generation. (like the PS3)

I'm willing to bet I'll be looking at the amazing new next gen graphics on a PS4, while others are looking at the... Idunno what feature added, for the Wii4. 



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Kwaad said:
Game_boy said:

"Graphics come and Graphics go. Today's graphics are tommorow's dull remnants of generations past. Every generation will have better graphics, if you want better graphics, all you need do is wait, if you want better games though, you look for innovation and immersion, not pretty eye candy alone. I'd rather have games I can play years from now rather than games whose selling points are how they looked this current generation."

In terms of graphics, I feel we are at a point where they are good enough. In fact I believe they were good enough during the last generation. Even HD is not much of an improvement from that standpoint.

What we need are technologies that are immersive, and Wii's fully (SIXAXIS really is a gimmick) motion-sensitive controller. With Wii, I am Link; I am Mario; I am Samus.


 Yeah, Six Axis is a Gimmick, and Wiimote is the future... same chip tho.

 

Actually I feel that graphics for the 'next gen' games are about as good as they will ever get on average. Like said in another old antique thread. Games last gen cost 20-40 million. Games this gen 'could' cost upwards of 100+ million. More than a full fledged blockbuster movie! The power of the PS3/360 can be tapped, useing crude pure polygon pushers, and such, but the problem is a true amazing quality model takes so damn long to make, and costs so damn much. To immerse the player beyond a PS3/360, game budgets will beging to pass Blockbuster movies almost every time.

The graphics on the PS3/360 are for keeps, while the graphics on the Wii, isnt even a full generational step. The Wii is 5 years older than the GC, the Wii should be ~8x faster. Not *at best* 3x faster. That's a generational step. Every 18 months a new generation of hardware comes out. Meaning the Wii would be a fitting 'next' gen at best, 1 year before the 360 came out, which did a skip-generation. (like the PS3)

I'm willing to bet I'll be looking at the amazing new next gen graphics on a PS4, while others are looking at the... Idunno what feature added, for the Wii4. 


Wiimote is far more versitile than the six axis which is just a copy-cat gimmick that at best inhibits gameplay and doesn't even come close to doing what the Wiimote does. If they're the same why does the Wii-mote make the Wii sell like hotcakes and the six-axis make Sony fanboys cry like little girls when they find out its going to be made manditory on their next upcomming title? 

I'm somewhat bemused by the fact you say the Wii isn't even a real generational step forward then contradict yourself by saying it is the only system that is really current gen while the 360/PS3 took an extra jump forward this gen.

I also can't get enough of the fact that you claim the PS3 graphics are here to stay but then nullify that by saying you're all excited about the amazing next gen graphics of the PS4.

Of course if you could actually keep your story strait then we might actually have to take you seriously as a contributor to the forum and not just a fanboy novelty of sorts for VGchartz.

P.S. Why would the Wii's successor be called the Wii4?



Kwaad said:
vanguardian1 said:
everyone has their priorities and interests, ckmlb

I'll probably be using 480i until HD's sucessor comes out myself, I'd avoid LCD's and Plasma's like the plague, and I want a $250 or less price point for 32".

Holy crap dude. You arent planning on buying a TV in the next 20 years! What brand TV do you that will last that long without needing replaced?!


My TV is 25 years old. It's an RCA. TVs can last quite a long time, frankly. I honestly didn't know anyone replaced their TVs every 5 years until I came here.]

Edit: Just so no one freaks and says: "how can you play games on a 25 year old tv?" It's not totally by choice: it was mine growing up, so I kept it rather than upgrade for now. I'd prefer to spend my expendable income on computer upgrades. It's only been mine-mine, as opposed to technically-my-parents-but-I-use-it-mine, for about a year and a half. I'll upgrade within the next couple years, but TV quality has never been a huge deal to me, probably because I didn't grow up in a house that cared about it. 



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LeroyBrown said:

Graphics come and Graphics go. Today's graphics are tommorow's dull remnants of generations past. Every generation will have better graphics, if you want better graphics, all you need do is wait, if you want better games though, you look for innovation and immersion, not pretty eye candy alone. I'd rather have games I can play years from now rather than games whose selling points are how they looked this current generation.

Ideologies of Impressive graphics are ultimately short term investments and appeal essentially to the lowest common denominator of those who desire immediate gratification like children who can't sit down to watch a movie if there isn't an explosion every five minutes or multi-million dollar CGi special effects. No one is saying graphics don't matter what-so-ever, but in themselves they benefit the longevity and replay value of games in no way what-so-ever and are a moot point of basis for building a console's reputation around (360/PS3).

The argument here is not that the Wii has the best graphics in the world, or that graphics suddenly matter now that there is some merit to bolster its hidden potential. The argument here is that the Wii's graphics are not the sin in the eyes of gaming that 360/PS3 advocates would have others think. And to be honest, only the most vain of fanboys would argue that differences in dpi make any difference in an era where most people don't own HDTVs. Its not everyone else's fault that some gamers chose to jump on the corporate band wagon of HD before it became practical and now feel its everyone else's obligation to get a second job and follow suit.

Perhaps the greatest irony is that long-term Sony fans only now act like graphics are something worth caring about.


Excellent post. Quoting this in case anyone cares to read it. I would add, however, that you should change "360/PS3 advocates" and "long term Sony fans" to "some 360/PS3 advocates" and "a portion of long-term Sony fans," because it doesn't apply to everyone. There are quite a few though, I agree. 



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Hey, I was just checking the diesize of the suposed "GPU part" of the Wii's Hollywood... its 72mm2, but the other part, is 94.5mm2...

Last time I checked, the RV515 aka the Radeon X1300 diesize was 94.5mm2...



It's either an error or chance, there's too many hardware differences for them to be the same.



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