>_>  Bro do you know there is a financial crisis going on?  Yeah Sony had a problem before but thx to the financial crisis it only gets bigger....Like a lot of companies have problems now;

Yeah, he's pretty ignorant. He clearly doesn't understand, well, anything about economics. Nor the video game market, if he doesn't realize how much it changed when Sony came along.

This paragraph ignores the fact that the 360 is now cheaper than the Wii in the US, and that it has been cheaper in Europe for a while now.

Oh, and it ignores the massive elephant in the room of why the "cheap console...is in demand." (Hint: price isn't the biggest factor. See above.)

This paragraph inserts the preferences of one ssj12 to stand in place of the values of the masses. Data indicates that this reasoning is flawed. Sony's console is demonstrably not a better value in most consumers' eyes. You may recall that a year ago, the PS3 did not instantly sell. Anywhere. At all.

Which again brings us back to Nintendo. Their stock price is down, but unlike the other two demand for its products has not decreased, and its profits are still gi-normous. By contrast, we have Sony, who's slashing profit forecasts at the same time that Nintendo's raising theirs, and whose gaming division is "anemic" at best right now.

You're emphasizing stock price to the exclusion of everything else. Not smart, dude, not smart at all.

To summarize my post: you're ignoring the data, and replacing it with what you want to happen. You completely ignore large chunks of the data, and you don't bother to examine the impetus behind the data you do bring to the table.

  Knock yourself out, but don't expect the rest of us to accept your analysis...

I'm sorry I don't know fully about economics being I'v never taken a course or have a diploma or bachelors degree like yourself. Please explain to us all mighty educated one.  Unless your just putting up a front on a internet forum.

Yeah I sure didn't also notice how much the video game market changed, being mostly a SEGA console owner as well a regular at the local arcades.

You sure got me there.

Sony has done a lot of this (at least in the gaming division) to themselves.

However, for all of their woes, they are certainly big and smart enough to pull themselves out of it, I think.

         You are right, we have all been up and down regarding Sony's financial debacle as well as MS's.  I guess my point was aimed more towards the idea that more competition is good, regarless of conslole owned.  I may be a big Wii60 fan, (though my Wii has been collecting a lot of dust lately).....I digress......I am a huge gaming fan first and foremost.  The PS3 is a great console and Sony is important, same goes for Nintendo and MS.  I just dont like seeing any gaming company hurting when it may/will have an influence on future creative gaming products, pricing, availability, choice, ect.  That's what I was trying to get at.

LOL @ the idea that Sony is on life support because it's lowered it's forecast of it's annual PROFIT!?!** How can a company be on life support when it's making money during an economic crisis? There are companies out there that lose millions of dollars a year and they are still around. Sony is turning a profit and you guys are acting like it's on life support.

Also some of you(not saying any names...) need to realize that the PS3 and the gaming division is only a small portion of the Sony product mix. The gaming division could be doing great while the stock goes down and vice versa it could be doing poorly and the stock could be going up. There are many other factors that determine the stock price of Sony other than how well the PS3 is doing.

@Dinomax Sony's products were selling great before. Especially their digital Camera's and their HDTV's.

The only degree you need to understand the basics of economics is one from a half decent high school.  Some things you should realize are that Sony's stock price and overall health is not so directly related to its console sales (it's a much bigger company than video games), their stock drops have nothing to do with how poorly their vg sector is doing (otherwise they'd have had this trouble a long time ago), Sony's PS3 sales haven't been slowed one bit by the economy's downturn (its other products have), and all companies are taking a hit to some degree even while doing very well (like Nintendo) because the economy goes beyond simple sell-through numbers and profit margins. Really, there's a lot more going on than "Oh, the PS3's sales suck so lol" and in truth that's virtually a non-factor at this point.

Also, you seem to have absolutely no understanding what competition does to a market.  When Sony rose to power and added a third competitor to the market dozens of virtually unknown companies suddenly became stars and most of the companies that came before them were still doing fine.  While the PS certainly took market share from its competition, its very existance allowed the market to grow at a significantly faster pace than it would have otherwise because they brought a whole new perspecitve to the video game business.  More competitors = cheaper prices and/or improved products.  Because Sony came in and threw around a lot of money, a lot of games got made that wouldn't have otherwise and the companies that didn't benefit directly worked harder so they could keep their own share of the pie.  Sony really opened up Europe in a way that Sega could not, it created opportunities for developers that never would have been accepted in to the business otherwise, and it even spurred MS into action to create further competition.  Because Sony is in video games more money is being spent to compete for your attention as a gamer (rather than a comercial watcher) than any time before the PS1's launch.

2 price cuts in europe couldnt put the 360 above ps3 for an extended time but some bundles will? there is nothing microsoft can do in europe.

oh they don';t have to put xbox 360 above PS3, when actually now others number are 1:1 between ps3 & Xbox 360

that is a very good achievement on MS front.

also with most of bundling are mostly for ps3 exclusive games only, MS has smart move

they have bundel cover, Prince persia, TRU, COD WAW, very clever.

and don't forget, if MS want to cut price again, it can be done, too,

but Sony can not doing the same thing for PS3.

just think MS has so many component beside CPU & GPU that have more room for cutting cost

sony can not, expensive BD-ROM with slot loading, wifi, etc. and now funny thing is, if you bough PS3 last year with BC

now if you receive a replacement, actually you receive an inferior product, because there is no BC (no PS2 chip),