So you have the old PS3 wiht the emotion engine in it? cause the new ones dont play ps2 games

Surely there are. I bought a PS2 just for Final Fantasy, for instance

I believe that people will buy a game because they really want a game or two but not just because of that game. I know very few gamers who would buy the game on the system they just bought and then never buy another game for it. It's simply a case of a game or two pushing them over the top to buy the system.

There is such a thing as system sellers, but I think some people have the expectation that one or two games will turn a system's fortunes around entirely.

That is possible, but very rare (Wii Sports), and in the long run you need many more games to keep the momentum going.

Interestingly, I think the sheer quantity of games is more important than a handful of awesome system sellers. This is what Nintendo learned while losing to Sony the last two generations. Sony fans will deny it but Playstation and PS2 were the kings of shovelware in their generations - and there's no denying they had the largest quantity of games. The difference is they also eventually wound up with a lot of great games (especially PS2), but that could still happen with Wii, we're only two years in.

They say it because they hate the Wii and are unwilling to admit that Wii Sports is the greatest system seller ever. Instead they bang on and on about how Wii Sports sales shouldn't be counted because it is bundled or Wii software is only top this week because Wii Sports sales are included.

I've got a PS3 just for GT5, so I'd say there are!

The reason people say that is because from the estimations on this site very very few games have an actual, direct impact on console sales.

Few games, true, but some games still do, like Monster Hunter, MGS4, and Halo 3.

But it's a really small club.

The issue is that because all the data we have is game launches / consoles sold that week, we might be missing things like early birds who are aware the game will eventually land (zelda, mario?), the collective console-pushing power of the gaming library considered as a whole, etc, etc...