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tuoyo said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
Xen said:
tuoyo said:
I always found it amazing how people would pay more for a TV simply cause it has a Sony badge on it. Sounds like things may be changing.

xman has your anwsers on why Sony is one of the best on the market.

 

 

Sony was the undisputed best at one time. Now Samsung has really stepped up into that spot. An example of being popular because you're good.

I think the Pioneer TVs are considered the best out there. But they are even more expensive than Sony though.

 

 

Well in context, Pioneer makes the best plasmas.  SONY, Samsung, and Sharp make the best LCD's.  SONY used to make the best rear projections until, because of public ignorance, the SXRD line was discontinued.  Now, it's Samsung with their 3 chip DLP with LED.  And SONY arguably makes with best front projectors while being the ones touting the OLED's.



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Kyros said:
A strategy change is needed. Sony should fire their CEO, to be honest.


I think they had a CEO too many already. The biggest problem is the purchase of Sony Pictures (what was it called again?). Sony started to go wrong when they tried to protect the videos and mp3 of their subdivision instead of making the best products they could legally do. This is why Apple killed their music player business. They still make the best consumer electronic products around albeit at a high price.

But this article is ridiculous, since it doesn't show problems of the company but a worldwide recession that hits all consumer electronic companies.

Here is a more accurate, less biased account..

Asian stocks sink; Sony drops on earnings revision
ALEX KENNEDY- Associated Press Writer - 10/24/2008 4:50:00 AM
SINGAPORE- Asian stocks tumbled for a third day Friday on growing alarm that a global recession will eat into corporate profits. Shares of Sony sank more than 14 percent after it slashed its earnings forecast for the fiscal year.
 
The dollar plunged below 95 yen, a 13-year low, as traders reacted to dismal U.S. jobs data that spurred speculation the Federal Reserve might cut interest rates.

 The combination of the two _ the yen's surge and Sony's revision _ unnerved investors in Tokyo, who dumped shares of exporters like Toyota, Sony and Panasonic.

 Sony's earnings revision "was yet another indicator that the global economy is really slowing," said Yutaka Miura, senior strategist at Shinko Securities in Tokyo. "Investors remain worried over growing uncertainty about the state of the global economy."

 Asian markets seemed to shrug off a rebound Thursday in European markets and on Wall Street.

 Japan's Nikkei 225 stock average slid 9.6 percent to 7,649, its first close below 8,000 since May 2003. For the week, the Nikkei lost 12 percent.

 The dollar fell as low as 94.75 yen, the lowest since August 1995. A strong yen erodes Japanese exporters' earnings.

 "Dollar-selling seems unstoppable. Investors continue to dump the dollar due to ongoing worries over the slowing U.S. economy," said Ikkou Takahashi, currency dealer at Mizuho Bank.

 South Korea's stock market also fell sharply as foreign investors fled the country's stock market and figures showed the economy there was slowing. The Kospi dropped 10.6 percent to 938.75, falling below the 1,000 mark for the first time in more than three years.

 For the week, the Kospi has fallen 20.5 percent, its worst since records began to be kept in 1987. For the year, the index is down just over 50 percent, a sharp reversal of the bull market in Korean stocks.

 Earlier Friday, figures showed that South Korea's economic growth slowed to 3.9 percent in third quarter, the slowest rate in three years.

 In Hong Kong, the Hang Seng fell 6.6 percent to 12,853. Markets in Thailand, Indonesia and the Philippines were also down sharply as investors bailed from emerging markets around the world to cut their exposure to risky assets and meet redemption needs at home. On Thursday, key indices in Russia, Brazil and Mexico also fell.

 "Funds are pouring out of emerging markets," said Linus Yip, a strategist at First Shanghai Securities in Hong Kong. "A lot of money that flowed into the region during the last five years from the U.S. and Europe is being cashed out. The global crisis has come to Asia."

 In Tokyo, dollar-selling intensified as traders reacted to bleak new numbers on the U.S. job market Thursday that showed unemployment claims rising even faster than expected, spurring speculation the Fed might cut rates to help shore up the sagging U.S. economy.

 The number of new applications for unemployment insurance rose 15,000 last week to a seasonally adjusted 478,000, above analysts' estimates of 470,000. Jobless claims above 400,000 are considered a sign of recession.

 Electronics giant Sony Corp. plummeted 14.1 percent to 1,972 yen after it cut its annual profit and sales forecasts, blaming deteriorating sales of flat-panel TVs and other gadgets as well as the strong yen.

 Sony said Thursday afternoon its net profit for the fiscal year through March 2009 would likely drop 59 percent from the previous year to 150 billion yen ($1.5 billion). Previously, it had expected to post 240 billion yen ($2.4 billion) in profit for the fiscal year.

 Panasonic Corp. lost 12 percent and Toyota Motor Corp., shed 6.4 percent.

 Overnight in New York, the Dow Jones industrial average rose 2 percent to 8,691.25, while the Standard & Poor's 500 index rose and the Nasdaq fell.

 Oil fell in Asian trade Friday, with light, sweet crude for December delivery down $1.26 to $66.54 a barrel.

 ___

 
Associated Press writer Shino Yuasa in Tokyo contributed to this report

http://www.onenewsnow.com/Headlines/Default.aspx?id=298464

 



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You can't blame Sony's failures on anything but bad management, I'm sorry Jordahn, they really have not been competing well in most sectors.



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It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

thejuicingamer said:
yea the guy who wrote that article has no clue what he's talking about, lmao at the part where he's talking about sony HDTV's, the bravias are top of the line you get what you pay for cheap skate

 

Samsung is more "top of the line" than Sony is at the moment.



S.T.A.G.E. said:
thejuicingamer said:
yea the guy who wrote that article has no clue what he's talking about, lmao at the part where he's talking about sony HDTV's, the bravias are top of the line you get what you pay for cheap skate

 

Samsung is more "top of the line" than Sony is at the moment.

 

Yeah, pretty much. It's all about consistancy. Samsung makes great TVs, at great prices, that are very popular. Doesn't get more "top of the line" than that.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

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ZenfoldorVGI said:
You can't blame Sony's failures on anything but bad management, I'm sorry Jordahn, they really have not been competing well in most sectors.

You are correct BEFORE Sir Howard Stringer took the helm. SONY was on a downward turn until he helped reverse that turn. Things were still tough for SONY, but it's the recent economic turndown that's effecting SONY recently as well as other companies from the report I posted. This is fact, ths is news.



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ZenfoldorVGI said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thejuicingamer said:
yea the guy who wrote that article has no clue what he's talking about, lmao at the part where he's talking about sony HDTV's, the bravias are top of the line you get what you pay for cheap skate

 

Samsung is more "top of the line" than Sony is at the moment.

 

Yeah, pretty much. It's all about consistancy. Samsung makes great TVs, at great prices, that are very popular. Doesn't get more "top of the line" than that.

 

Not true. DLP televisions have always suffered from the rainbow effect (Samsung were making DLP televisions then) until recently with the incorporation of the 3 chip DLP which Samsung now employs. Also, Samsung expressed regrets when SONY ended their LCD partnership when SONY decided to partner with SHARP instead.

EDIT: And to elaborate on that past Samsung and SONY relationship, you call Samsung "top of the line" which I've agreed, but it also applied to SONY since their LCD technology were developed in the same plant because of their joint venture...

 

Samsung and Sony To Consolidate Their LCD Lines

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Samsung-And-Sony-to-Consolidate-their-LCD-Lines-64252.shtml

 

So, yeah, if you think Samsung is "top of the line", I agree as well as I did in a previous post. But given the big picture, you need to give SONY as much credit as Samsung given the facts. Pease put down your personal SONY hate and see the truth.

:)



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the first comment in that article sums up why that article is crap.



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Jordahn said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
You can't blame Sony's failures on anything but bad management, I'm sorry Jordahn, they really have not been competing well in most sectors.

You are correct BEFORE Sir Howard Stringer took the helm. SONY was on a downward turn until he helped reverse that turn. Things were still tough for SONY, but it's the recent economic turndown that's effecting SONY recently as well as other companies from the report I posted. This is fact, ths is news.

 

That's fair. A change of direction was needed, I just wasn't sure if it has been enacted yet.



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.

Jordahn said:
ZenfoldorVGI said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:
thejuicingamer said:
yea the guy who wrote that article has no clue what he's talking about, lmao at the part where he's talking about sony HDTV's, the bravias are top of the line you get what you pay for cheap skate

 

Samsung is more "top of the line" than Sony is at the moment.

 

Yeah, pretty much. It's all about consistancy. Samsung makes great TVs, at great prices, that are very popular. Doesn't get more "top of the line" than that.

 

Not true. DLP televisions have always suffered from the rainbow effect (Samsung were making DLP televisions then) until recently with the incorporation of the 3 chip DLP which Samsung now employs. Also, Samsung expressed regrets when SONY ended their LCD partnership when SONY decided to partner with SHARP instead.

EDIT: And to elaborate on that past Samsung and SONY relationship, you call Samsung "top of the line" which I've agreed, but it also applied to SONY since their LCD technology were developed in the same plant because of their joint venture...

 

Samsung and Sony To Consolidate Their LCD Lines

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Samsung-And-Sony-to-Consolidate-their-LCD-Lines-64252.shtml

 

So, yeah, if you think Samsung is "top of the line", I agree as well as I did in a previous post. But given the big picture, you need to give SONY as much credit as Samsung given the facts. Pease put down your personal SONY hate and see the truth.

:)

I was addressing Sony's customer service, stability, selection, warranty, and pricing rather than just the components. 2 years ago, Sony was the best HDTV on the market(like the PS2), imo. Now, you've actually got choice for top of the line TVs(like with game consoles), like Pioneer, Sony, and Samsung. It is just my anecdotal experience that Samsung is more "top of the line" than Sony when it comes down to all the features. Sucks for Sony to lose their dominance, but choice is always a good thing.

 



I don't need your console war.
It feeds the rich while it buries the poor.
You're power hungry, spinnin' stories, and bein' graphics whores.
I don't need your console war.

NO NO, NO NO NO.