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Kasz216 said:
akuma587 said:
Kasz216 said:

Newt Gingrich falls into that group.  That group wanted Palin.

The NeoCons wanted Romney.

The Bible Thumpers wanted that govoner from.... I want to say minesota... some mid west govoner.

 

But what about people like William H. Buckley Jr.?  They can't stand Palin.  I guess they are kind of in a fourth category, the "libertarian" Republicans. 

But even a lot of your "true" conservatives are unhappy with Palin.  I've heard a lot of disquietude from a lot of prominent Republicans, including those like Powell.  Although he is kind of a moderate Republican, so that may be a fifth category.

 

Only currently, after the giant swiftboatesque job that was done on her.  Before then she was fairly well liked.

Those conservatives agere with her policies... they just don't like her after all the negative attacks.

There were some swiftboat tactics in the beginning, but if anyone sunk Palin's boat it was Palin.  The public loved her for awhile, even while the attacks were going on.  Then some of those interviews and public appearances happened...

 



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jjseth said:
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Yes, I agree with the bolded part but what will stop the world from switching to a Euro intl trading standard?  I am for everyone to have their own choices but make this out of wisdom and not popularity or race, I beg you.  A supermajority with an Obama led executive branch will bring about change that even some Dems do not want and a majority of the center right nation doesn't want either--nationalization of more and more organizations, the ceasing union secret ballot, etc.  I even see a one world currency to come out of this--whether you are a Christian or not, this is a radical depature from intl banking.  I urge you to read the following Wall Street Journal piece re this -

http://sec.online.wsj.com/article/SB122420205889842989.html

I agree with you on this--whomever wins--they will have a lot of shit to clean up...

It's obvious to see that you support McCain and Palin.   And the world would not change to that standard as long as we can keep our economy strong.  One thing that will help that is because the world economy relies on us being strong, therefore we will continue to be strong.. The current downcycle we have right now has shown the weakness throughout the world.  We go down, so does Europe and Asia.  For them to keep their wealth, we have to continue to be a power or someone will have to shine through and prove that their people are far more materialistic (I hate to admit it) then we are.  

 

While Europe has great countries, and a great tradition behind them, they need a strong US to really move forward in the world especially when the economy is involved.   The world is becoming more entertwined and we will continue to see more companies cross borders and own "foreign" companies.  (Us to Europe, and vice versa).

My Vote this November is for Obama.   He's not a socialist as McCain and Palin are quickly to call him, hoping for "fear" of the American people to switch their votes and get them into office.  If I were to consider them seriously, I would have to actually hear what they are selling to me.  Obama has spoken to me in my state (a swing state, Missouri) and have explained his platform and what he will do for me.  In my honest opinion, Obama will do more for this country as he's far more intelligent, and ready to be president then McCain.  We already had one president who some would "Like to have a beer with" and look where that got us?  Into a war we shouldn't have. An Economy in ruins.  And a loss of our personal freedoms.  Bless our friends in the UK, but I don't want that kind of Nanny state to control us, and i know Obama won't do that to his people.   I want a president who is at least as smart as me, if not smarter.... I dont' want someone who graduated 5th from teh bottom of his military class.  Give me the Harvard genius.  Give me the man who promises me true change, not just a stolen platform like McCain did.    I don't want a "Maverick" who has crshed 5 planes while in service of this country and got himself and others caught.

 

Union Secret ballots... I really could care less about.  I'm not in a union... I actualy work for the government to keep our Homeland Secure.. (You can figure out where rather easily).   Christian?  Well.. I was confirmed, but I'm not actively practicing.   As long as I'm a good person and treat my fellow man (YOu got that, not just american, but all people) great and like a good person, I'm living the life spelled out by the bible and many other biblical and spiritual books.

 

I don't see 1 world currency coming out of this in the end.   And definitely not by the end of Obama's 2nd term.

 

Sure, I'm confident he'll win.  Our future depends on obama winning.  Our Children's future depends on Obama winning.. The World depends on Obama winning this election.   Obama will be able to unite this world unlike any other leader of any other country has ever been able to do.

With the history of racism and bigotry in this country, if others see us electing a black man, who has been exposed to many religions, including Christianity, and Muslim religions, can possibly bring many of us together and hopefully a world that will resepct each other and bring peace all around the globe.

To this I say... GoBama!

 

 

Wow that was a really great read JJseth, the bolded got me a little choked up, and i agree that he will be able to bring the world together like no other, I am not in the states (London, UK actually), but Obama has something very cool and smooth about him, he looks like the type of person that can stay calm and sane in a time of crises, thats a leader the US needs.

 



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d21lewis said:
McCain WILL be our next President. I'm sure of it. And the thought of it depresses the hell out of me.

This. I have been calling this. Every president I have voted for since Clinton has lost. Oh well - I took part in early voting and cast my vote for - the loser. Who? The fool that's my avatar.

OT - there's one prob in your post - what about the heavy early voter turnouts? What about the voters on cell phones? I know you are hopeful and optimistic, but unless:

Obama comes out and says he's a Muslim who will open the door to al-Qaida ...
OR the authorities find him with a live boy/dead girl ...
or he tries to rob a bank, he can start having his mail forwarded to this address:

The White House
1600 Pennsylvania Avenue NW
Washington, DC 20500.

 



If I person wants to get an idea of the popularity between the two running for President (Well, the main two) just look at the numbers that come to the rallies.

Obama has drawn 100k+ to denver today, not to mention 100k in St. Louis recently and 75k in Kansas City. Sadly, I wasn't able to attend the last of those because of prior committments, but it shows the popularity of the presidents when you see these huge numbers. Many know that this will be a historical election here in the US, and the support for Obama is quite amazing. Just to compare those numbers to McCain. IN Denver on Friday, McCain brought just 4,000 people to the rally. And John Elway and John Lynch, who are heroes to many in Denver were right beside mcCain. Obama drew more then 96k+ then McCain did just a couple days later.

St. Louis, McCain had an attendance of I believe 2500, and 6000 in a KC suburb. Far cries from the size of the crowds that Obama brought. This, is a red state, and bordered on the west by a VERY red state. However, Obama is leading the polling here. In this state that are many racists and bigots around, but its an odd thing to hear a redneck say "I'm voting for the N_____". I hate that they use that word, and think it's fine, but at least they are voting for a man that is better for our future.



 


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jjseth said:
If I person wants to get an idea of the popularity between the two running for President (Well, the main two) just look at the numbers that come to the rallies.

Obama has drawn 100k+ to denver today, ... they are voting for a man that is better for our future.

+1 from me! Yay!



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jjseth said:
If I person wants to get an idea of the popularity between the two running for President (Well, the main two) just look at the numbers that come to the rallies.

Obama has drawn 100k+ to denver today, not to mention 100k in St. Louis recently and 75k in Kansas City. Sadly, I wasn't able to attend the last of those because of prior committments, but it shows the popularity of the presidents when you see these huge numbers. Many know that this will be a historical election here in the US, and the support for Obama is quite amazing. Just to compare those numbers to McCain. IN Denver on Friday, McCain brought just 4,000 people to the rally. And John Elway and John Lynch, who are heroes to many in Denver were right beside mcCain. Obama drew more then 96k+ then McCain did just a couple days later.

St. Louis, McCain had an attendance of I believe 2500, and 6000 in a KC suburb. Far cries from the size of the crowds that Obama brought. This, is a red state, and bordered on the west by a VERY red state. However, Obama is leading the polling here. In this state that are many racists and bigots around, but its an odd thing to hear a redneck say "I'm voting for the N_____". I hate that they use that word, and think it's fine, but at least they are voting for a man that is better for our future.

Look at Palin rallies.  Over 15,000 outside of Arlington, VA a heavily blue area. 

In addtion remember what Dr. King said, "Judge a man by the content of his character; not by the color of his skin."  Not to be racist but Obama has shown frequent bouts of arrogance and plain snobbery (Guns and religion, "A plumber is the guy he's fightin' for!" followed by roaring laughter, Roman columns on nomination, not to mention Michelle's ordering of steamed lobsters, Iranian caviar, and ultra expensive champagne at the Waldorf Astoria -- and that's just room service!

 



At least it's with their own money, and not with National Comitee funds... zinga!



I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

steven787 said:
At least it's with their own money, and not with National Comitee funds... zinga!

He utilized DNC money--count on it.  Why spend out of your own wallet when a PAC can pay for you?

 



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I would cite regulation, but I know you will simply ignore it.

Haha whatever helps you sleep at night. McCain can still win but let's not get delusional.