flagship said:
zexen_lowe said:
I'm getting tired of the argument that JRPGs are getting stale. I wonder how many JRPGs have played those who say it. I won't argue here if they are more innovative or not than WRPGs, but they aren't getting stale. You hae FFXII which tried a radically different approach to the series (good or not is up to oppinion, but it IS radical), but people say that FF are always the same. Then you have games like Persona 3 (which blends RPG with social life sim), Suikoden and Radiata Stories (which give you more characters to recruit than all the NPCs in a WRPG), Disgaea (which makes a lot of twists, like Item World, the Senate that had never been done before), Shin Megami Tensei, etc.
And let's not even talk about the upcoming games like White Knight, which will even add online co-op to a JRPG.
We can argue if the JRPGs could even improve more, but those who say they haven't improved in 10 years have only played Dragon Quest in their lives |
I've played JRPGs since FF1 on the NES, JRPGs are currently at hardtack level. Yes occasionally a JRPG these days tries to be mildly different but then you realize the horrible character personality development and terrible overcomplicated plot could have been removed and replaced with the classic I must save the princess one liner and the game would have been drastically better.
Interest how you defend JRPGs with games that are at least 4 years old, unless of course you're trying to count the 5th iteration of Suikoden, 3rd Persona and 3rd Disgaea as orginal ideas rather than poorly done copycutter sequels of games that were topnotch back in the PS1 days. Not that 108 stars of destiny or Radiatas slew of chracters were anything more original than various clones with the basic format of: Fighter, Mage, Mage/Fighter combination 95% of which are made entire useless once you collect the 5 uber characters. Oh and lets not forget the amazing new wonderous improvment of level grinding that Disgaea and Persona brought us......
Odd that you left Lost Oddessy, the best JRPG made in the last year off your list.
And on topic saying Fable 2 is more innovative that any FF in the last decade is like saying Mortal Combat is a better Fighter than Shaq-Fu.
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Red: That's an opinion, and one I disagree completely, I'd take any overcomplicated plot over a simple save the princess story, in fact, a complex plot for me is essential for an RPG to be excellent, if all the JRPGs had Mario-like story we'd end up with all Dragon Quests and I'd commit suicide
Green: Persona 3 is a copycutter sequel? Please, I haven't played Persona 1 and 2 I don't want to imagine the kind of masterpieces they are if P3 compared to them is just a copycutter sequel
Blue: I've never said theat P3 and Disgaea completely revolutionized the genre, just that they brought up new ideas to it and implemented them perfectly. Just like Fable has new ideas but also has the old conventions (Mute character)
Yellow: There's nothing odd, I don't have a 360, therefore I haven't played any of its JRPGs
