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Jackson50 said:
ManusJustus said:
halogamer1989 said:

"Give a man a fish; feed him for today. Teach a man to fish; feed him for a lifetime."  This is my logic for the current US predicament and I would like to know who among us at VGC agrees...

I agree, but you actually have to put some effort into teaching him.

The Republican/Mccain camp hasn't been to good for education, considering the whipping we've been getting from the rest of the world.

 

Yes, the Democrats and the Republicans have damaged our education system. There are ways to remedy this, but the two parties seem unwilling to take the necessary steps.

 

Indeed, both parties have kind of passed the ball on fixing education.  But Obama is willing to make college more affordable, which is definitely a step in the right direction.

Now if we could just fix our high schools...

 



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I say the Joe who can catch the most fish should "share the fish" with those less fortunate.....



akuma587 said:
Jackson50 said:
ManusJustus said:
halogamer1989 said:

"Give a man a fish; feed him for today. Teach a man to fish; feed him for a lifetime."  This is my logic for the current US predicament and I would like to know who among us at VGC agrees...

I agree, but you actually have to put some effort into teaching him.

The Republican/Mccain camp hasn't been to good for education, considering the whipping we've been getting from the rest of the world.

 

Yes, the Democrats and the Republicans have damaged our education system. There are ways to remedy this, but the two parties seem unwilling to take the necessary steps.

 

Indeed, both parties have kind of passed the ball on fixing education.  But Obama is willing to make college more affordable, which is definitely a step in the right direction.

Now if we could just fix our high schools...

 

Fix our what? High schools? hahahahaha.

You can thank No Child Left Behind for that. They replaced what we had to a system of teaching to standardized tests EVEN MORE than what we had. At least we had a system where the cream of the crop could get ahead through accelerated programs. It single handedly took out the Gifted/Talented program when I went to high school.

We need someone who actually knows something about education to head the Dept of Education.

 



 

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I suggest people read this website article for info regarding the impact of the NCLB Act and VA SOL test scores--they have gone up exponentially since it's inception

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/VDOE/NewHome/pressreleases/2005/oct25.html



halogamer1989 said:
I suggest people read this website article for info regarding the impact of the NCLB Act and VA SOL test scores--they have gone up exponentially since it's inception

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/VDOE/NewHome/pressreleases/2005/oct25.html

So we agree on government provided education, great.



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halogamer1989 said:
I suggest people read this website article for info regarding the impact of the NCLB Act and VA SOL test scores--they have gone up exponentially since it's inception

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/VDOE/NewHome/pressreleases/2005/oct25.html

 

You say that like those test scores mean anything. Have SAT scores gone up? Or have we just been teaching to the various state standardized tests? No need to answer, I already know.

Not only that, but the incidences of...what's the word. Please excuse me, I took some benadryl and I  can't think straight right now. I'm talking about...not forgery per se, but where the teachers manipulate the test taking conditions or actually change students answers to give them a better score.

I suggest not reading too much into state standardized tests.



 

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ManusJustus said:
halogamer1989 said:
I suggest people read this website article for info regarding the impact of the NCLB Act and VA SOL test scores--they have gone up exponentially since it's inception

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/VDOE/NewHome/pressreleases/2005/oct25.html

So we agree on government provided education, great.

Manus-- to a ceratain extent.  If gov't intrudes too much and pushes certain material, impedes on state and local gov't education regulations or goals, or mandates this that and the other thing I am against it.  I am for smaller gov't but in this case it illustrates what can be accomplished with a gov't standard that is followed.

 



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cdude1034 said:
halogamer1989 said:
I suggest people read this website article for info regarding the impact of the NCLB Act and VA SOL test scores--they have gone up exponentially since it's inception

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/VDOE/NewHome/pressreleases/2005/oct25.html

 

You say that like those test scores mean anything. Have SAT scores gone up? Or have we just been teaching to the various state standardized tests? No need to answer, I already know.

Not only that, but the incidences of...what's the word. Please excuse me, I took some benadryl and I  can't think straight right now. I'm talking about...not forgery per se, but where the teachers manipulate the test taking conditions or actually change students answers to give them a better score.

I suggest not reading too much into state standardized tests.

VA is different than Texas cdude.  Don't get me wrong The Lone Star state is a great place but VA education standards are extremely strict as of late and it is showing because of it.

 



halogamer1989 said:
cdude1034 said:
halogamer1989 said:
I suggest people read this website article for info regarding the impact of the NCLB Act and VA SOL test scores--they have gone up exponentially since it's inception

http://www.doe.virginia.gov/VDOE/NewHome/pressreleases/2005/oct25.html

 

You say that like those test scores mean anything. Have SAT scores gone up? Or have we just been teaching to the various state standardized tests? No need to answer, I already know.

Not only that, but the incidences of...what's the word. Please excuse me, I took some benadryl and I  can't think straight right now. I'm talking about...not forgery per se, but where the teachers manipulate the test taking conditions or actually change students answers to give them a better score.

I suggest not reading too much into state standardized tests.

VA is different than Texas cdude.  Don't get me wrong The Lone Star state is a great place but VA education standards are extremely strict as of late and it is showing because of it.

 

 

I'm not comparing anything to Texas, I'm saying standardized tests as a whole are pretty useless. I've seen more than just the TX standardized tests, and though I haven't seen any from VA, I can almost guarantee you no serious college would look at the VA test over the SAT's.



 

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