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Biggerboat on 23 July 2007
PS3owner said:
Sony sold more games on the PS2 then Nintendo did on the GC, and thats all that matters. Even when Nintendo was the only one making games for the system they still can't outsell Sony.


@Biggerboat, i may not have explained my position best, but i was trying to say that new games made for home consoles. And that each system will have their own games, but they wii just can't match the power of the PS3/360. PS3/360 can make games like FF13 while the wii can't, but they will get their own style of games, like you pointed out with DQ9 for the DS.

I see what you are saying but have to disagree. DS didn't get its own spin-off or version it got THE next fully fledged installment of one of the biggest franchises in Japan. If what you are saying were accurate then PS3 and 360 would have their own DQ game in development yet only Wii (and maybe PSP?) has a title. So why can DS get a true installment in a big series but Wii can't?

Also FF1-12 were released on systems less powerful than Wii so I think it's illogical to say that 13 onwards couldn't be done. Remember devs don't care about horsepower but money. If they have to make a butt-ugly FF game on Wii to make more money they'll do it.

Finally I think you are being optomistic about the conclusions that can be drawn from GC's and PS2's 1st party software sales. Figure out the attach rates for these sytems and apply them to Wii and PS3 and Sony are not even in the same league sales-wise. Quite simply N are untouchable in terms of 1st party games.



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Biggerboat on 23 July 2007
RolStoppable said:
HappySqurriel said:

Agreed. Just take a look at the DS. With a userbase of currently ~45m Nintendo already had double digit million selling games and some others are close to it and will most likely pass the 10m mark as well.

Sure, the GBA had a userbase of ~75m, but most of the top selling Nintendo games were enhanced ports of NES or SNES games, while the DS gets/got original games and true sequels to the established franchises, that's the important difference.

Seeing that the Wii is following a similar pattern to the DS, it's very likely that several Nintendo games on the Wii will sell 10m+ units. 


The question is can Wii Sports be the first game to hit treble digit million figures? If it stays as a pack-in in most of the world then it's certainly possible.



Hus said:

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mitsuhide on 23 July 2007

MGS4 and FFXIII are 2 of the Big3 left(the one that left being DMC4) these have been hyped by Sony and Square and Konami at every moment possible and people will buy the console for these games alone and the other games are just bonuses.I agree it might not save the console but it doesnt really need saving yet it will only need saving if the Wii is at 20million the X360 is at 15million and the PS3 is still below 10million which wont happen.
We also have DW6(PS3 exclusive) just before Christmas which usually sells quite well.
Cant find DW5 numbers for anywhere but Japan where it sold 0.91 million which aint bad not good but not bad.



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

WiteoutKing on 23 July 2007
PS3owner said:
The wii may get games like FF, but not the same FF as the 360/PS3 which is fine, most people don't really care if the games go to all systems.

I think what will happen this gen is games will be coming out for the PS3/360 and will sell well, the wii won't get the same games becasue it is impossible for them to get the same graphics, AI, sound and everything else that seperates the PS3/360 from the wii.

The wii will get stripped down versions of some of the PS3/360 games and seperate games that just use the wii-mote.

 The Wii's graphics are strong enough to hold a Final Fantasy game, in no way would the "limitations" everbe enough of a roadblock to keep SquareEnix from considering a Wii title.

 Sound?  Are you seriously suggesting this?  Try again, please.

AI is the closest you have come to a legitimate claim for this.  Unfortunately, the AI in an RPG is exceedingly weak in comparison to the AI used in a fighting game or an RTS or an FPS.  The Wii can handle RPG-AI.

The only negative thing that really comes into play here is that it may need multiple discs.  "OH NO!" we cry.  "Multiple discs?!?  We haven't needed to use multiple discs since..."  That's right, ease into it... "...since the Final Fantasy games on the PSX."  Shocking, I know.



PS3: 5.51m/51w, avg 108,039/w (up 239)
360: 12.93m/102w, avg 126,764/w (up 625), leads PS3 by 7.42m (up 70k), avg lead 18,725/w (up 386)
Wii: 13.52m/51w, avg 265,098/w (dn 1,102), leads PS3 by 8.01m (up 90k), avg lead 157,059/w (dn 1,341)

If 360 sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass 360 by...
01/08: (008w) +875.8%, 04/08: (021w) +344.4%, 07/08: (034w) +219.3%, 10/08: (047w) +163.5%
01/09: (060w) +131.8%, 04/09: (073w) +111.4%, 07/09: (085w) +098.1%, 10/09: (099w) +086.7%
If Wii sales stabilize, PS3 sales increases needed to pass Wii by...
01/08: (008w) +1072.%, 04/08: (021w) +498.4%, 07/08: (034w) +363.4%, 10/08: (047w) +303.1%
01/09: (060w) +269.0%, 04/09: (073w) +246.9%, 07/09: (085w) +232.6%, 10/09: (099w) +220.3%
If PS2 sales freeze, Wii sales increases needed to pass PS2 (as of Mar07, 108.4m) by...
2008: (008w) +4373.8%, 2009: (060w) +0496.5%, 2010: (112w) +0219.6%, 2011: (165w) +0116.9%
2012: (217w) +0064.9%, 2013: (269w) +0033.1%, 2014: (321w) +0011.5%, 2015: (376w) -0004.8%
At +0% it will pass it in 358w, the week ending September 19th, 2014, at an age of 409w (7y44w).
Current age of PS2: 7y37w.

Last update: Week ending November 3, 2007

mitsuhide on 23 July 2007

@Biggerboat:
No Nintendo console has ever sold more than 100million units but there is a first time for everything but following trend every next console from Nintendo sells less than the previous one.



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

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HappySqurriel on 23 July 2007
mitsuhide said:
MGS4 and FFXIII are 2 of the Big3 left(the one that left being DMC4) these have been hyped by Sony and Square and Konami at every moment possible and people will buy the console for these games alone and the other games are just bonuses.I agree it might not save the console but it doesnt really need saving yet it will only need saving if the Wii is at 20million the X360 is at 15million and the PS3 is still below 10million which wont happen.
We also have DW6(PS3 exclusive) just before Christmas which usually sells quite well.
Cant find DW5 numbers for anywhere but Japan where it sold 0.91 million which aint bad not good but not bad.

People will buy a PS3 for Metal Gear and Final Fantasy, just not many people ...

Dynasty Warriors is another issue all together. Gundam Musou is essentially the Gameplay of Dynasty Warriors combined with Gundams; two things which are very popular in Japan. Koei believed that since Gundam Games sold over a Million copies on the PS2 and Dynasty Warriors sold over a Million copies on the PS2 then Gundam Musou would sell more than 2 Million copies on the PS3; it didn't even come close. Dynasty Warriors is going to flop ...



HappySqurriel on 23 July 2007
mitsuhide said:
@Biggerboat:
No Nintendo console has ever sold more than 100million units but there is a first time for everything but following trend every next console from Nintendo sells less than the previous one.

That is if you discount the Wii and DS ...

The rate of there sales means that they will smash the sales of their predecessor in no time



mitsuhide on 23 July 2007

I think the reason it sold under 1million(Gundam Musou) is because it isnt something you should mix Gundam and DW and it was a shock that they released a game like that and the reviews were terrible.



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

mitsuhide on 23 July 2007
HappySqurriel said:
mitsuhide said:
@Biggerboat:
No Nintendo console has ever sold more than 100million units but there is a first time for everything but following trend every next console from Nintendo sells less than the previous one.

That is if you discount the Wii and DS ...

The rate of there sales means that they will smash the sales of their predecessor in no time


 The sales rate will drop slowly it already is but at the moment they are still selling less than there predecessors when they sell more than there predecessors then times have changed but until the nothing is proven.



End of 2014 Hardware Predictions (03/03/14)

PlayStation 4: 12-15million

Xbox One: 7-10 million

Wii U: 8-9 million (Changed 01/04/2014 from 7-9 --> 8-9 million)

Biggerboat on 23 July 2007
mitsuhide said:
MGS4 and FFXIII are 2 of the Big3 left(the one that left being DMC4) these have been hyped by Sony and Square and Konami at every moment possible and people will buy the console for these games alone and the other games are just bonuses.I agree it might not save the console but it doesnt really need saving yet it will only need saving if the Wii is at 20million the X360 is at 15million and the PS3 is still below 10million which wont happen.
We also have DW6(PS3 exclusive) just before Christmas which usually sells quite well.
Cant find DW5 numbers for anywhere but Japan where it sold 0.91 million which aint bad not good but not bad.

Well I would say that is far more likely than your sig prediction of Wii: 14-15, PS3: 9-10 & 360:7-11. Forgetting the 360 for now you are saying that PS3 and Wii will sell at a near 1:1 ratio from now til the end of the year.

Not gonna happen.



Hus said:

Grow up and stop trolling.