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Its amazing how I keep reading on views or ideas on casual gaming lately on the big bad internet.  Suddenly what was the saving grace for the playstation 1 and 2 (appealing to people who weren't sci fi, comic book or nerds in general) which now Nintendo controls is suddenly a bad thing. 

Lets be honest the amount of bitterness or anger suddenly towards people who play games casually is absolutly childish and pointless because,  gaming was born from it.  

It all began in the Atari era.  Casual gaming.  You see everyone use to play pinball (my dad being a pinball wizard in his days)  but something was different about people playing games back then.  Yes most were *gasp* social and *gasp* went outside to go to bars to *gasp*  play video games. They played games, casually.  Also disco'd REALLY HARD.  

A man then took advantage of this casual market.

"I had to come up with a game people already knew how to play; something so simple that any drunk in a bar could play."

His name, Nolan Bushnell. His game.  Was Pong.  He founded Atari. 

Your hobby came to exist from a game which was based on a simpler version of its real counterpart.  Which had to appeal to casual going audiance. 

Its not that bad.  Its just history.  Besides do you really want to be associated with the word hardcore anyway?

hard-core also hard·core   (härd'kôr', -kōr')

adj.  

1. Intensely loyal; die-hard: a hard-core secessionist; a hard-core golfer.
2. Stubbornly resistant to improvement or change: hard-core poverty.
3. Extremely graphic or explicit: hard-core pornography.

I sure don't want to.

lol great post. especially the definition of hard core. you should show this to matt cassamassina.

too bad nobody wants to comment on this thread. =[

I think we can all agree with that. You could also add that not everyone will become a "hardcore" gamer, mostly due to lack of free time.

because it´s not worthy to post. Every sane person knows the meaning of hardcore and that whatever videogame is not hardcore per se, only people are. It´s only a matter of taste and knowledge of non-famous games/publishers. Under different social background, other games could have been considered "hardcore" and other "casual". Just like GTA became "casual" from "hardcore".
Well before Atari, there were other consoles. Were they wide accepted? No. Did they have a loyal following? Yes, most likely. So it´s thanks to these loyal old gamers, also called "hardcore" these days, that the gaming market kept slowly growing and managed later on to tap a wider market. So "hardcore" gave birth to "casual". "Hardcore" is the beginning and "casual" the goal. And this applies to practically every digital entertainment market and sub-market. "Hardcore" is an indispensable source of income for a new market that has as a goal to become popular.

memory2zack,

nice answer

memory2zack pwned Dinomax hard....Anyway it was a good try Dinomax.

The words hardcore and casual are open to interpretation in my opinion. The first post was funny, I like the idea and I liked the definition of hardcore. But let's face it, in the context of videogames the meaning can change from person to person.

Some people seem to have decided that any game with cartoon-style visuals is instantly casual. Some people seem to think that the terms refer to the amount of time the player invests into a game at any given time.

I always used to think a hardcore game was something like Contra or Megaman, repetitve strain injury inducing death-trap filled nightmares designed to eat all of your time/money. I only found out about a year ago that my meaning was totally wrong according to everybody else!

nice read
the only hardcore gaming ive ever done was halo 3 from its release to like april the next year ...as much fun as i had it was too life consuming (i think my brain got severly damaged in that period as well)
so i agree with you i dont want to be there again either , i dont do online that much anymore