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Final-Fan on 20 October 2008
1. Obama

"I freaking said that Powell truly did believe Obama was a better pick and I trust Powells judgement. I said the only difference was that if Obama was the same guy but white, Powell would have not felt compelled to risk his neck and endorse him."

If Powell said that Obama is a better pick, and you trust his judgement, why did you say "This obviously would not change my vote"? (I presume you are currently voting McCain, if not say the word and my point is negated.)

2. Adam Smith

"I think a hybrid of his system is best. No regulation, but with strict oversight, which would kinda fit his system still because all oversight would be is protect the people."

This makes no sense. What is the difference? Are you saying that you want a system that identifies problems but is powerless to do anything about them?

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ManusJustus on 20 October 2008
bigjon said:

The socialism go further than just a progessive tax system.  Adam Smith believed in no regulation.

Also, Powell said that his vote was not a vote against McCain... there goes your theory about Powell = Buckley down the shitter.

I freaking said that Powell truly did believe Obama was a better pick and I trust Powells judgement. I said the only difference was that if Obama was the same guy but white, Powell would have not felt compelled to risk his neck and endorse him.

McCain is for more regulation.  McCain is also for the bailout.  Is John McCain a socialist?

Adam Smith believed in a progressive tax system.  Is Adam Smith a socialist?

As mentioned earlier, Powell actually donated to McCain's campaign earlier on.  Powell said that he decided to endorse Obama after McCain 'failed the final exam' which he considered the financial crisis.  Powell said that McCain was not calm and collected during the crisis but managed to come out with a new plan everyday.  Like Buckley, Powell is just another Republican who supports Obama because he knows that between the two, Obama is best for the country.



The Ghost of RubangB on 20 October 2008

bigjon, accusing every black person ever of playing the race card at every decision, and having race be the primary factor that decides their vote, or the last straw that make them vote across party lines.... IS RACIST.

Powell is an oldschool Republican, and not this new neocon trash. It makes him much more independent and much more likely to cross party lines than a diehard neocon. Don't accuse him of voting based on race. I can just as easily say you're voting for McCain because he's white. It's meaningless and racist to make such accusations without any evidence.



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SamuelRSmith on 20 October 2008

Could we say that BigJon supports McCain because he's white?



akuma587 on 20 October 2008
 MontanaHatchet said:
If there's any party that would love nothing more than to remove our rights and abolish free speech, it's the Republicans.

QFT, sir.  And anyone who disagrees has had their head in the ground for the last eight years.  John Ashcroft, President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Tom Delay, and too many others to name have insulted what it means to be an American by limiting free speech and abusing their power in office for solely political reasons.

And that isn't even mentioning the fact that the Bush Adminstration has probably been the worst in history about keeping information hidden from the public.  Free speech, indeed.

 



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EPP on 20 October 2008

You have a funny idea about socialism.

Wonder how you'd call the german goverment then. A stalinist regime? :P


Well, anyway, I'm pretty happy a man like Powell endorses Obama. Not because of Obamas sake, I just think Powell is one who knows what his country needs. So I don't have to fear that Obama will fuck up :P



outlawauron on 21 October 2008
akuma587 said:
 MontanaHatchet said:
If there's any party that would love nothing more than to remove our rights and abolish free speech, it's the Republicans.

QFT, sir.  And anyone who disagrees has had their head in the ground for the last eight years.  John Ashcroft, President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Tom Delay, and too many others to name have insulted what it means to be an American by limiting free speech and abusing their power in office for solely political reasons.

And that isn't even mentioning the fact that the Bush Adminstration has probably been the worst in history about keeping information hidden from the public.  Free speech, indeed.

 

Riiight, keep telling yourself that.



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Coca-Cola on 21 October 2008
Jackson50 said:

His socialist tendencies? Come on, man, McCain opposed the Bush tax cuts for the same reason Obama opposes them...they disproportionately favor the wealthy. McCain also advocated the same bailout that Obama did. They are both "socialists."

McCain also votes to limit free speech. He was a co-sponsor of the Campaign Finance Reform Act of 2002-McCain-Feingold Act-.

McCain's biggest blunder of his career imo.

 



Final-Fan on 21 October 2008
outlawauron said:
akuma587 said:
 MontanaHatchet said:
If there's any party that would love nothing more than to remove our rights and abolish free speech, it's the Republicans.

QFT, sir.  And anyone who disagrees has had their head in the ground for the last eight years.  John Ashcroft, President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Tom Delay, and too many others to name have insulted what it means to be an American by limiting free speech and abusing their power in office for solely political reasons.

And that isn't even mentioning the fact that the Bush Adminstration has probably been the worst in history about keeping information hidden from the public.  Free speech, indeed.

Riiight, keep telling yourself that.

OK, fine -- the BEST in history at keeping information from the public, at least until the elections are over (wiretapping story delayed).  

The funny thing about Ashcroft is that as bad as we thought he was -- and as bad as he was -- there were depths to which he would not sink.  Depths to which Alberto Gonzales tried to make him sink.  Who replaced Ashcroft?  



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akuma587 on 21 October 2008
Final-Fan said:
outlawauron said:
akuma587 said:
 MontanaHatchet said:
If there's any party that would love nothing more than to remove our rights and abolish free speech, it's the Republicans.

QFT, sir.  And anyone who disagrees has had their head in the ground for the last eight years.  John Ashcroft, President Bush, Vice President Cheney, Tom Delay, and too many others to name have insulted what it means to be an American by limiting free speech and abusing their power in office for solely political reasons.

And that isn't even mentioning the fact that the Bush Adminstration has probably been the worst in history about keeping information hidden from the public.  Free speech, indeed.

Riiight, keep telling yourself that.

OK, fine -- the BEST in history at keeping information from the public, at least until the elections are over (wiretapping story delayed).  

The funny thing about Ashcroft is that as bad as we thought he was -- and as bad as he was -- there were depths to which he would not sink.  Depths to which Alberto Gonzales tried to make him sink.  Who replaced Ashcroft?  

This is my point.  The situation was so bad for so many years that you don't even have to stretch the facts.  Bush replaced an unethical Attorney General with an EVEN MORE unethical Attorney General.

 



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It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...."  Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson