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SamuelRSmith on 19 October 2008
papflesje said:

I wouldn't feel cheated, because I couldn't care less about one religion or the other :)


Let's say I was listening to a Japanese anime song, and it was "haha, Europeans suck because they watch our shows. They can't do anything themselves" as a lyric.

1) I wouldn't know the lyrics anyway, and would just sing the song if it had a catchy tune

2) If I did find out the lyrics, I'd go "meh" or "hahaha, darn you, Japanese mofo's", not "WHYYYYY, you subliminal posters! I demand retribution" or something...

 

 

It's like what Eminem has said: He can't believe that people act the way he does in songs, or do the same things he talks about in songs, when he explicitely said it's just a song.


That's how this should've been approached: a game, with a certain song that happens to have certain lyrics.  A patch would've solved the problem, and the ones that keep saying that "people without an internet connection" would've suffered from this, the fact remains that the song is not understandable by 99.999999% of gamers (praise be to that one Somalian gamer and that one Somalian interpreter that understands it).

 

 I find that offensive.



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Mummelmann on 19 October 2008
starcraft said:
Wait. So you think that this was a conspiracy by Christians and Buddhists to pretend to be a Muslim Organisation to get Sony to delete the song?

No, Microsoft did it so LBP would be delayed...

J/K

 



Krill on 19 October 2008
hpsack said:
papflesje said:
but i may see that it offending to some non musilman that don't want to be forced to listen to muslim content, and everyone has the right to choose what to listen to.


Uhm... wha?

So this is because people who are NOT muslim may be offended by some lyric they don't understand, because it's in the Somalian language?

That's reaching for it.

Although you as a muslim, may not be offended by it (good!), the game is being pulled because of possible Muslim backlash, not because "some non-muslim may be offended by having to hear two qur'an references they wouldn't be able to comprehend anyway".

well suposing you're a good (insert any religion) and you played the game, you loved the song, the sentences got stuck in your head and you spend your day mumbling the lyrics (even if in somalian that happen) after 2 weeks of mumbling you discover that those lyrics are two line of another religion that you don't believe in, I bet you you'll be furious, if this happen to me I'll feel cheated, and that's exactly what I mean ;) .

 

I doubt that very much.  I believe most faiths are tolerant.  I can appreciate the song that was removed as a song without concern for the religious references.    

To be honest, I find your original post misguided and patronising.  Sony have stated why the game was delayed so there is no value in any of us trying to put our own interpretations on why it might have happened.  

Least said, soonest mended. 

 



Roma on 19 October 2008
blackstar said:
hpsack said:

Hi

As the title say, I'm a muslim and I thought that giving my point of view on this subject will help the community to know about the other side of the story, not only the one that spread now on the Net.

Yes, I listened to the song, and I love it, good tune, good lyrics, and I don't feel offended or discrimined or god know whatelse stupidity. Yes there are lines that can be foind in the Qur'an, but every religious muslim chant contain lies from the Qu'ran, many Eastern and Western songs has lines from Qu'ran, it' not a probleme in our religion, and even more in our society.

So I suspect that the request of removing this song from the game dosen't come from a muslim organisation or what else, but the remove was to not force people to listen to a song that contain lines from Qur'an, and that a valid point of view that I respect, If I was christan or buddhist I'll not love to know that my kids listen to lines from another Holy book.

I respect the move from Sony, but the only thing that I want to make clear is that this song is by no mean offending to muslim, but i may see that it offending to some non musilman that don't want to be forced to listen to muslim content, and everyone has the right to choose what to listen to.

Well thats my point of view and I guess that is the same thing +/- arround me.

Hope this help to make it clear to some people :)

 

PS: LBP WILL BE HUGE :D

 

u have a good point

but it's wrong to mix music with Qur'an ,muslims don't mix music with Qur'an , that's it

if I had a ps3 i would've bought the game and turned the sound down untill i finish that level, as simple as that

 

well said blackstar!



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krimoz911 on 19 October 2008
blackstar said:
hpsack said:

Hi

As the title say, I'm a muslim and I thought that giving my point of view on this subject will help the community to know about the other side of the story, not only the one that spread now on the Net.

Yes, I listened to the song, and I love it, good tune, good lyrics, and I don't feel offended or discrimined or god know whatelse stupidity. Yes there are lines that can be foind in the Qur'an, but every religious muslim chant contain lies from the Qu'ran, many Eastern and Western songs has lines from Qu'ran, it' not a probleme in our religion, and even more in our society.

So I suspect that the request of removing this song from the game dosen't come from a muslim organisation or what else, but the remove was to not force people to listen to a song that contain lines from Qur'an, and that a valid point of view that I respect, If I was christan or buddhist I'll not love to know that my kids listen to lines from another Holy book.

I respect the move from Sony, but the only thing that I want to make clear is that this song is by no mean offending to muslim, but i may see that it offending to some non musilman that don't want to be forced to listen to muslim content, and everyone has the right to choose what to listen to.

Well thats my point of view and I guess that is the same thing +/- arround me.

Hope this help to make it clear to some people :)

 

PS: LBP WILL BE HUGE :D

 

u have a good point

but it's wrong to mix music with Qur'an ,muslims don't mix music with Qur'an , that's it

if I had a ps3 i would've bought the game and turned the sound down untill i finish that level, as simple as that

 

 

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Godot on 19 October 2008
krimoz911 said:
blackstar said:
hpsack said:

Hi

As the title say, I'm a muslim and I thought that giving my point of view on this subject will help the community to know about the other side of the story, not only the one that spread now on the Net.

Yes, I listened to the song, and I love it, good tune, good lyrics, and I don't feel offended or discrimined or god know whatelse stupidity. Yes there are lines that can be foind in the Qur'an, but every religious muslim chant contain lies from the Qu'ran, many Eastern and Western songs has lines from Qu'ran, it' not a probleme in our religion, and even more in our society.

So I suspect that the request of removing this song from the game dosen't come from a muslim organisation or what else, but the remove was to not force people to listen to a song that contain lines from Qur'an, and that a valid point of view that I respect, If I was christan or buddhist I'll not love to know that my kids listen to lines from another Holy book.

I respect the move from Sony, but the only thing that I want to make clear is that this song is by no mean offending to muslim, but i may see that it offending to some non musilman that don't want to be forced to listen to muslim content, and everyone has the right to choose what to listen to.

Well thats my point of view and I guess that is the same thing +/- arround me.

Hope this help to make it clear to some people :)

 

PS: LBP WILL BE HUGE :D

 

u have a good point

but it's wrong to mix music with Qur'an ,muslims don't mix music with Qur'an , that's it

if I had a ps3 i would've bought the game and turned the sound down untill i finish that level, as simple as that

 

 

 Couldn't have said it better myself blackstar

There's nothing wrong to mix both if that artist did it and he is Muslim. As for non-Muslims, it certainly isn't wrong.



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deathgod33 on 19 October 2008

you shouldnt mix relgious chants with music, thats all, it was a good move my sony but should of been done fixed with a patch.



 

 

 

 

insomniac17 on 19 October 2008

Well, my only problem with this is that if they hadn't complained, I never would have noticed it was in there. Ever. To be honest, I didn't pay as much attention to the music as I should in the beta, and that probably won't change with the whole game. So, its fine that they got offended and wanted it out of there, it just seems a bit silly to me.

Putting myself into their position, if I heard a few phrases from the Bible in a song, I'd say "Cool! I know where that's from!" and move on with my life. But, I suppose I'm not Muslim, so I don't know what they're thoughts on this are. =)



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