Firstly, trying to talk about Madden 09 is unfair and like mike said is a bit-premature because Wii games are mostly about legs, the right thing to judge it is waiting until Madden 10 is out.

Secondly, no, i did not say "Wii sell the same or even more than in the PS3 right?" if you read my post (i'm doubting it)  you should've noticed that i said "You know that some sport games in the Wii sell the same or even more than in the PS3 right?"

Mario & Sonic will sell more than all the sports games on PS3 put together.  Of course it has the Italian Plumber but still a sports game.  Big Beach Sports will sell more than any Madden game on PS3.  Then there is Deca Sports.  And Tiger Woods will always sell more on Wii than PS3.  So third party sports games can sell on the Wii. They just need to be capable of selling to the wider market.  The thing with games like FIFA, NBA whatever, Madden is that these games are released every year and are bought by the same people every year.  They have been buying these games for years and are unwilling to change control method and prefer shiny graphics to new gameplay. 

I don't think 3rd parties are being short sighted.  I think they lack creativity.  Wii forces creativity (with the controller, etc) and so they prefer to just release on PS360 since they only need amazing graphics to sell.  All they can do on the Wii is follow the leader.  So Nintendo releases party games that sell and they all want to release party games. 

Attachment ratio is almost as important as market share. Currently the Wii attachment ratio is poor and the 3rd party attachment ration is atrocious, in fact the biggest 3rd party Wii hit has MARIO in it.

So as a developer I could either make an HD game for the 360/PS3/PC where I know even it if flops a couple hundred thousand people will pick up my game or I can make it exclusively for the Wii where it will be ignored by the majority of the user base who clearly based on their purchasing habits like first party games.

well thing i have noticed is most games people find that are hardcore have been already made on 360 beause of early release of system.

So then they have the engine already made and everything. So they just EA out their games, like for example Rainbow six las vegas, followed super close by vegas 2. And so on for manay other games.

You have the Wii which is too weak to run the game, yet overpowered for their PS2 engines. So they have to make a new engine and many don't want to risk the money to make a new one, cause of the percieved powerhouse nintendo publisher.

And no wonder nintendo dominates their own system, they have no coompetition. All of the good games from 3rd parties are in clique genres so they don't have huge sales and thsu again dev's think oh that great game didn't sell huge

That argument never gets old, even though it's been laid out the numerous reasons and the false stereo type.

First, try making a good game. Don't expect people to buy them when you produce shovelwares.

That is BS, if attachment ratio was a important factor then the PS2 wouldn't had the support it had, what does matter is the sales, it doesn't matter if a game has an attach ratio of 1% if it sells 1m.

I don't know why you prefer that but as a developer i could make a Wii game where i know that even if it flops i'd know that i didn't spend much money on it or i can make a game for the 360/PS3/PC  where if it flops i would lost money because of its development cost.

Of course that it's unfair, are we going to judge a game sales that has been out for only 2 months? Those 2 were only that: examples there are more games (like PGA) but i just said those 2.

I think it's just the opposite. I think they are taking the distant view.

The wii is a flash in the pan, but it's one that will last for 5 or 6 years. A relative flash in the pan, it's only a single generation and it will end. Major strides are being made in graphics technology, AI, complex physics, new kinds of motion capture, online networking, ect ect. Methods of programming and how games are made are moving forward. Those strides are not being made on Wii. To NOT learn these new skills, techniques and programming methods is suicide when the next generation comes. What happens in 8 years when all the new consoles are out and none of your staff knows jack about how to make games on them because they spent the last six or seven years building games off an upgraded gamecube architecture with virtually no network support? They end up waaay behind the technology curve.

So the solution? Put your A teams, the best you've got, working on learning these new techniques, methods, keeping up with the industry as it develops. Put your B teams making wii games that make money on whatever demographic, you don't really care. Then when the next gen comes out Team A will still know what's going on and team B can be integrated and trained that much easier.

does JP really have a choice? all other home consoles already have their obituaries written in the Japanese papers.