Stof I couldn't disagree more.
"Let justice be done though the heavens fall." - Jim Garrison
"Ask not your horse, if ye should ride into battle" - myself
| The Ghost of RubangB said: 1) America is the land of the free, but not the land of the free market. A free market is not mentioned in the Constitution. 2) The Constitution allowed slavery, so it's not even the land of the free. |
Study your history and you will realize the constitution would not have been ratified if it banned slavery. They simply made the choice at the time that the issue of slavery would be settled at a later time, and they left it open to do so.
I just don't get how you can want america to become a welfare state. If you don't like it, move to europe. Class warefare is BS. Poor people are poor, if someone wants to give money to a church or charity that helps poor people so be it, the gov should not pretend to be robin hood. As things stand right now anyone who is gifted can rise to prominance in American, a society that is shaped by social pretences threatens that. Why would someone who is born poor want to strive to become great when he can just sit back and reap the rewards of people that are actually doing something with their lives. I am sorry I so not want my money going to some poor person. I earned my money, I will give to my church, they help people who are in the church when they are in need. Why do you think socialist societies are not as thriving as capitolistic. Look at china. They are much better off now than they were, since they had been moving closer to a free market. They are still a long ways off, but people actually considered them a legitimate economic power now.
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| stof said: I think the greater realization people need to make is that the Constitution, though at the time a wonderful document, is now horrifically out of date to the point where it just plain sucks. Of course, re-writing the constitution isn't going to happen for another hundred years but... Screw the constitution. Do what's right. |
please clarify why you believe it is so flawed? just saying it sucks is not going to cut it. the amount of foresight our(refering to us Americans) founding fathers had is amazing, they left us an open ended const. It can be ammended if needed. I am really curious why you think our const is so bad?
psn- tokila
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| akuma587 said: Anyone who acts like many super-rich people in this country are all more qualified seriously needs to wake up. Most of the really talented people are in the top 2-10%, not the top 1%. As Chris Rock so aptly said it (loosely quoted), "A white C student in America can become president (Bush), while a black C student can't even become the manager of Burger King." |
That is a really stupid quote. Bush was not a c student, he was a deans list student at Yale. Also, I wonder if mr. rock realizes that it is much easier for a minority student to recieve scholorships or get excepted into high level schools than a non- minority student. A huge part of our problem in America right now is unqualified people being put into positions to help fulfill quotas. For instance I was talking with an Army recruiter recently who was turning down qualified white males down because he already had more than his "quota", at the same time he was trying to push people in on different waivers (drug, hs diploma, weight, pt) just to meet his minority quotas.
I however do believe that some of these "quotas" are needed. There are people who are racist, and without these protections some minorities would get screwed. Basically I believe they have taken the whole thing too far, but it is a good idea.
psn- tokila
add me, the more the merrier.
| Commando said: What I am concerned about, is every other infraction against the constitution that nobody cares about and/or is in full support of. What people need to realize is that in the United States we have the unaliable right to challenge our government via Petition and if that doesn't work, Violent Usurption. Yet no one cares and we let the government regulate our ownership/use of arms. What angers me is that nowdays the average American considers protest to be "Anti-American" and Fascism to be patriotic. |
This is probably the most on point post in the thread. What about every other part of the Constitution? Are those not important?
Republicans have made a living mockery out of the Constitution these last years. The executive branch has completely abused its power and taken away too much power from the other branches of government, we have surpressed our own people's freedoms without declaring martial law (which is unconstitutional), and we have spat in the face of the amendments protecting people from cruel and unusual punishement and giving them habeas corpus. Thank God that the Supreme Court has slapped some sense back into the nation recently.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
Here are Bush's grades in government in college:
Undergraduate Transcript
Political Science/Govt classes
73 (of 100) in PS14a
71 (of 100) in PS13b
Pass in PS48
From the Washington Post on March 19, 2000.
We had two bags of grass, seventy-five pellets of mescaline, five sheets of high-powered blotter acid, a salt shaker half full of cocaine, a whole galaxy of multi-colored uppers, downers, screamers, laughers…Also a quart of tequila, a quart of rum, a case of beer, a pint of raw ether and two dozen amyls. The only thing that really worried me was the ether. There is nothing in the world more helpless and irresponsible and depraved than a man in the depths of an ether binge. –Raoul Duke
It is hard to shed anything but crocodile tears over White House speechwriter Patrick Buchanan's tragic analysis of the Nixon debacle. "It's like Sisyphus," he said. "We rolled the rock all the way up the mountain...and it rolled right back down on us...." Neither Sisyphus nor the commander of the Light Brigade nor Pat Buchanan had the time or any real inclination to question what they were doing...a martyr, to the bitter end, to a "flawed" cause and a narrow, atavistic concept of conservative politics that has done more damage to itself and the country in less than six years than its liberal enemies could have done in two or three decades. -Hunter S. Thompson
tokilamockingbrd said:
Study your history and you will realize the constitution would not have been ratified if it banned slavery. They simply made the choice at the time that the issue of slavery would be settled at a later time, and they left it open to do so. I just don't get how you can want america to become a welfare state. If you don't like it, move to europe. Class warefare is BS. Poor people are poor, if someone wants to give money to a church or charity that helps poor people so be it, the gov should not pretend to be robin hood. As things stand right now anyone who is gifted can rise to prominance in American, a society that is shaped by social pretences threatens that. Why would someone who is born poor want to strive to become great when he can just sit back and reap the rewards of people that are actually doing something with their lives. I am sorry I so not want my money going to some poor person. I earned my money, I will give to my church, they help people who are in the church when they are in need. Why do you think socialist societies are not as thriving as capitolistic. Look at china. They are much better off now than they were, since they had been moving closer to a free market. They are still a long ways off, but people actually considered them a legitimate economic power now. |
Of course, our country was founded on the concept of compromising with pathetic racist shitbags who like to own people. It's almost like... nothing has changed.
Anyone who is gifted can rise to prominence? What do you mean by this word? What if you're born blind or with no legs? You're fucked for life? And yet if you're born with rich parents (luck) or nice tits (luck) or a nice singing voice (luck) you're set for life? You think Paris Hilton works harder than I do? I can act better, sing better, dance better, and I bet I can even suck dick better than her, but she was born with money and tits and never has to worry about anything for her entire life.
China is successful because they literally work their poor to death and shit all over them 100 times as much as we do. If that's capitalism, fuck capitalism. (They're not fully capitalists yet, and neither are we, and I hope we never are.)
Right on Akuma! Tell 'em!
"Let justice be done though the heavens fall." - Jim Garrison
"Ask not your horse, if ye should ride into battle" - myself
^ Quote Charles Fort on the subject of Darwin. "Survivors survive"
"Let justice be done though the heavens fall." - Jim Garrison
"Ask not your horse, if ye should ride into battle" - myself
The Constitution is not perfect, but do you really trust these modern day politicians who have basically driven everything they touch into the ground to write a better one? I think I will stick with madison, thank you very much.
To Rubang, some people cannot help their lot in like. I am not against help the blind or retarded, or maimed. It is the lazy poor people who I don't want a dime of my money to go to. Note.I know not all poor people are lazy, so are stupid, or made stupid choices. Like got a felony or whatnot... that kinda kills the chance of landing many good jobs...
I believe that a vast majority of poor people (below poverty level) are either Stupid, Lazy, or have made bone headed choices in their lies. Why would I want to help them?
psn- tokila
add me, the more the merrier.
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