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yushire on 11 October 2008
ctk495 said:
yushire said:
Words Of Wisdom said:
yushire said:
The only 3rd party I've known that making spin offs are Konami with Castlevania Judgement

This is amusing because ctk mentions Soul Calibur Legends in the OP.  Did you read it?

 

What I said was this: And about spin off, I think 3rd parties dont do that anymore even Squeenix they developing for the HD consoles instead.

You must know how to read between the lines...

 

I forgot skate 2 for the HD consoles and skate it for the wii a spin off.Then if 3rd party for example EA would have change their mind then they would've announce skate 2 for the wii too.But instead there are giving us skate it for both the wii and ds this is similar to what square has done which is to give us echoes of time instead of crystal bearers.


 

 

Porting a game and make it have different names and controls isnt a spin off. Can you even call Facebreaker KO party and Madden NFL All-Play a spin off even theyre really just a same game only with different controls?

Anyway there'll be Skate 2 on the Wii, but not in means by the name of Skate 2 but Skate it 2.

Examples of spin off:

Dragon Quest swords---> Different gameplay

Rayman Raving Rabbids----> Milking the franchise which Rayman isnt the star, though its Ubi I dont care...

Soul Calibur Legends----> Hack and slash gameplay opposed to the fighting game genre.

RE: Umbrella Chronicles----> Light gun shooter game

Final Fantasy Crystal chronicles----> Not on the Wii but you know what I mean...

Castlevania Judgement----> The game says it all.

 



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

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yushire on 11 October 2008
CAL4M1TY said:
yushire said:
I think everyone here accepts that the Wii is a different beast than HD consoles. I mean, are Wii owners really want multiplat games? Because thats whats really happening in HD consoles, except for their first party consoles and Final Fantasy XIII theres no BIG titles on HD consoles which isnt a multiplat.

 

There's something very wrong with this statement.


Personally, I play games because they are good, not because they are exclusive and will boost the sales of the console I own (I mean it's not like Sony will give me $200 for every person I get to buy a PS3. I use sony as an example as I own a PS3, not because I'm using any excuse to discredit them).


I don't think you need anyone to tell you this, but by that statement, you're a fanboy.

I doubt we'll see many developers use their main series on the Wii instead of spin-offs. Alot of Wii Fans will say "but 3rd party titles do sell on the Wii, look!" and give you a list of Wii 3rd party titles not from Nintendo that sell, whilst neglecting to say that those games happen to appeal to casual and core (Guitar Hero, Lego whatever etc).Fact of the matter is, Core,  High production value, 3rd party, non-remake/port games more often then not, don't sell well on the Wii.


Fact of the matter is, putting all your eggs in one basket (Wii) is not a smart business move when you consider the 360/PS3 has many different genre's of high selling core games.

Also, many developers invested in/created game and graphics engines based on the 360 and PS3 architecture. It'd be insane not to put games out on those platforms, because of all the money spent getting themselves ready to be able to make great games on those platforms.


We'll see some developers switch their main series to the Wii, but it'll mostly be games that cater to the Japanese Market, as opposed to games that'll optimise the use of the Wii-mote. I hope kingdom Hearts isn't one of those games (I don't care which platform it goes to, I just don't want it to be Wii EXCLUSIVE).

 

Then what is this console war for? If I would choose for multiplat platform I definitely choose a PC which we already have right now... Some gamers I myself play consoles just for the exclusives not because of multiplats. Have you seen my profile on the games I owned that are all professional sports games?

Im playing for exclusives not because of multiplats and the Wii have most of them so far. Sure some of them are ports but it will definitely changing in 2009. 

 



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

Roma on 11 October 2008
ctk495 said:
Roma said:
ctk495 said:
Roma said:
What are you talking about ha!! There are a lot of “main series games" on the Wii. Say Hi to (except the Nintendo games of course) NMH, Conduit, Zack and Wiki, Rune factory, ToS mother title, Harvest Moon, Red steel, and a bunch of other games on the way

 

Yeah but most of them are new IP's in the case of tales even the gamecube got a mother series game :/

spyro and crash are coming yay :D lol

Well spyro and crash aren't that great.....

 

Haha I know it was sarcasm

 

 



    R.I.P Mr Iwata :'(

CAL4M1TY on 11 October 2008
yushire said:
CAL4M1TY said:
yushire said:
I think everyone here accepts that the Wii is a different beast than HD consoles. I mean, are Wii owners really want multiplat games? Because thats whats really happening in HD consoles, except for their first party consoles and Final Fantasy XIII theres no BIG titles on HD consoles which isnt a multiplat.

 

There's something very wrong with this statement.


Personally, I play games because they are good, not because they are exclusive and will boost the sales of the console I own (I mean it's not like Sony will give me $200 for every person I get to buy a PS3. I use sony as an example as I own a PS3, not because I'm using any excuse to discredit them).


I don't think you need anyone to tell you this, but by that statement, you're a fanboy.

I doubt we'll see many developers use their main series on the Wii instead of spin-offs. Alot of Wii Fans will say "but 3rd party titles do sell on the Wii, look!" and give you a list of Wii 3rd party titles not from Nintendo that sell, whilst neglecting to say that those games happen to appeal to casual and core (Guitar Hero, Lego whatever etc).Fact of the matter is, Core, High production value, 3rd party, non-remake/port games more often then not, don't sell well on the Wii.


Fact of the matter is, putting all your eggs in one basket (Wii) is not a smart business move when you consider the 360/PS3 has many different genre's of high selling core games.

Also, many developers invested in/created game and graphics engines based on the 360 and PS3 architecture. It'd be insane not to put games out on those platforms, because of all the money spent getting themselves ready to be able to make great games on those platforms.


We'll see some developers switch their main series to the Wii, but it'll mostly be games that cater to the Japanese Market, as opposed to games that'll optimise the use of the Wii-mote. I hope kingdom Hearts isn't one of those games (I don't care which platform it goes to, I just don't want it to be Wii EXCLUSIVE).

 

Then what is this console war for? If I would choose for multiplat platform I definitely choose a PC which we already have right now... Some gamers I myself play consoles just for the exclusives not because of multiplats. Have you seen my profile on the games I owned that are all professional sports games?

Im playing for exclusives not because of multiplats and the Wii have most of them so far. Sure some of them are ports but it will definitely changing in 2009.

 

Well for me, I want a console to succeed sales wise because it ensures more will be invested into developing for it, exclusive or multiplatform. A console may be defined by the exclusives it has, but Multiplatform titles are extremely important, heck even more important than exclusives in some cases.

My point was, you'd want multiplatform on the Wii so that it can gain 3rd party support (and eventually third party exclusives, if you want them so badly). To not want any multiplatform games would be suicide, because multiplatform is what developers test the waters with, to check what works and what doesn't before investing in an exclusive for the console.

Sure you can continue to buy multiplatform games on the PC, and ignore the good ones that are on the Wii, but it means that the Wii will take longer or not even get 3rd party exclusives because of that.



Dystopian Delight on 11 October 2008

Ehh I don't mind I mean two versions of a game sound good compared to one. I bought Sc4 but tryed the legends version on my friends wii, surely isn't that much better than just SC4



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yushire on 11 October 2008
CAL4M1TY said:

Well for me, I want a console to succeed sales wise because it ensures more will be invested into developing for it, exclusive or multiplatform. A console may be defined by the exclusives it has, but Multiplatform titles are extremely important, heck even more important than exclusives in some cases.

My point was, you'd want multiplatform on the Wii so that it can gain 3rd party support (and eventually third party exclusives, if you want them so badly). To not want any multiplatform games would be suicide, because multiplatform is what developers test the waters with, to check what works and what doesn't before investing in an exclusive for the console.

Sure you can continue to buy multiplatform games on the PC, and ignore the good ones that are on the Wii, but it means that the Wii will take longer or not even get 3rd party exclusives because of that.

 

OK I agree with you but what can we do about it? We should just buy a PC, Xbox 360 or a PS3 too if we enjoy best of the both worlds.

O.T. Im still intact with my own opinion though, the Ps3 is becoming like Xbox 360 while both HD consoles becoming like PC. Yeah, there are big multiplats there but with the financial crisis and HD consoles is still on the slumps right now,(xbox 360 still low on Japan and others, PS3 still low on Japan and america) is it still worth the risk?

Still I dont understand why 3rd parties especially the western ones still pursue, I think theres no profit to it anymore.



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg

libellule on 11 October 2008

MONSTER HUNTER 3

TGS game best game award (guess)

Wii

Ninty

not so bad (at least for japan) ?



Time to Work !

ctk495 on 11 October 2008
libellule said:
MONSTER HUNTER 3

TGS game best game award (guess)

Wii

Ninty

not so bad (at least for japan) ?

 

Mh3 and FF4 are the only exceptions apart from those they aren't any main  series  that isn't a new IP coming to the wii that also makes the possibility of kh3 going to the wii more unlikely.



yushire on 11 October 2008

I still dont get it whats to discuss about, after TGS and the October conference I dont see any spinoff games except for Castlevania judgement, mostly are either ports, remakes and new Ips. Unless you can include ports and remakes on your discussion...



end of core gaming days prediction:

 

E3 2006-The beginning of the end. Wii introduced

 

E3 2008- Armageddon. Wii motion plus introduced. Wii Music. Reggie says Animal crossing was a core game. Massive disappointment. many Wii core gamers selling their Wii.

 

E3 2010- Tape runs out

http://www.fivedoves.com/letters/march2009/ICG_Tape_runs_out.jpg