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makingmusic476 said:
shams said:

"The shift from VHS to DVD a decade ago offered tangible benefits such as significantly improved picture quality and the ability to skip instantly to any scene of the film. However, Blu-ray's improvements over DVD are less pronounced and largely limited to a noticeable but far from extreme increase in picture quality, provided a big screen HDTV is used."

 

I've always disliked this line of reasoning.  While yes, there is less of an incentive to upgrade to Blu-Ray from DVD like there was to upgrade to DVD from VHS, it's also much EASIER to ugprade to Blu-Ray from DVD than it was going to DVD from VHS.

When you buy a Blu-Ray player, all your DVDs will play in the machine, and they'll all look better because of it, due to upscaling.  When you bought a DVD player back in 1998, it made all your VHS tapes obsolete, unless you kept both players around (which many people did).  It also did nothing to increase the quality of the movies you already owned.

In a few years, standalone Blu-Ray players will have dropped to or past the $100 mark.  At this point in time, what will keep people from buying a Blu-Ray player over a regular old DVD player?  Hell, manufacturers could just advertise it as a DVD player, and the few uninformed consumers left would never be the wiser.

Blu-Ray drives will probably end up like DVD drives for PCs today.  They can play practically everything, including obscure formats like DVD-Ram, but that's just about all they make, because it's cheaper for manufacturers to focus on 1-2 SKUs.  That's just what you buy.  You don't track down a CD drive for your PC if you have no interest in playing DVDs.  You just buy the DVD drive.

I've got to disagree with that.  A VHS player and a DVD player both worked perfectly in the same entertainment center.  A BluRay player is only worth buying if you already have an HDTV.  That's around a $1000 investment.  That's still a big stumbling block for a lot of people.  Add on top of that the expense of BluRay players and discs, and the limited advantages are just not worth it for the average consumer.

I think the incentive to replace your VHS collection with DVDs probably helped DVD more than it hurt.  The obvious improvment in convienence and quality was a motivation to buy and re-buy more DVDs.  That hastened the adoption of DVD.  I'm sure that the degradation that VHS suffers also forced a lot of people into rebuying their movies on DVD.



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DVD quickly became cheaper or same price as VHS, at least in EU.
The problem is not the price of the BRD player, it's the price of the media.
I see only die hard HC and graphics whores buying these exclusively.
Most sane people won't buy the BluRay when it's at least 10 € higher in price, when it's not 20 € higher. That doesn't make sense just for more resolution, except for a gift.
As for myself, I have lots of DVD I haven't even opened yet, there's no way I'm buying 30 € BRD when the DVD is available at 10 €.



theRepublic said:
makingmusic476 said:
shams said:

"The shift from VHS to DVD a decade ago offered tangible benefits such as significantly improved picture quality and the ability to skip instantly to any scene of the film. However, Blu-ray's improvements over DVD are less pronounced and largely limited to a noticeable but far from extreme increase in picture quality, provided a big screen HDTV is used."

 

I've always disliked this line of reasoning.  While yes, there is less of an incentive to upgrade to Blu-Ray from DVD like there was to upgrade to DVD from VHS, it's also much EASIER to ugprade to Blu-Ray from DVD than it was going to DVD from VHS.

When you buy a Blu-Ray player, all your DVDs will play in the machine, and they'll all look better because of it, due to upscaling.  When you bought a DVD player back in 1998, it made all your VHS tapes obsolete, unless you kept both players around (which many people did).  It also did nothing to increase the quality of the movies you already owned.

In a few years, standalone Blu-Ray players will have dropped to or past the $100 mark.  At this point in time, what will keep people from buying a Blu-Ray player over a regular old DVD player?  Hell, manufacturers could just advertise it as a DVD player, and the few uninformed consumers left would never be the wiser.

Blu-Ray drives will probably end up like DVD drives for PCs today.  They can play practically everything, including obscure formats like DVD-Ram, but that's just about all they make, because it's cheaper for manufacturers to focus on 1-2 SKUs.  That's just what you buy.  You don't track down a CD drive for your PC if you have no interest in playing DVDs.  You just buy the DVD drive.

I've got to disagree with that.  A VHS player and a DVD player both worked perfectly in the same entertainment center.  A BluRay player is only worth buying if you already have an HDTV.  That's around a $1000 investment.  That's still a big stumbling block for a lot of people.  Add on top of that the expense of BluRay players and discs, and the limited advantages are just not worth it for the average consumer.

I think the incentive to replace your VHS collection with DVDs probably helped DVD more than it hurt.  The obvious improvment in convienence and quality was a motivation to buy and re-buy more DVDs.  That hastened the adoption of DVD.  I'm sure that the degradation that VHS suffers also forced a lot of people into rebuying their movies on DVD.

You did read the next three paragraphs in my post, right?  Things are expensive now, but they won't remain that way.

 



Supernova82 said:

Typical Australian newspaper not knowing what they are talking about. Blu-Ray sales are on par with early DVD sales were in comparison to VHS sales. Introduction period slow sales gradually picks up in momentum as time goes by. Blu-Ray has been available for only two years or something now.
Blu-Rays will go down in price as production costs decrease and supply increases. Prices of Blu-Rays and Blu-Ray players will fall as technology improves. Price drop would increase sales.

 

It's always easy to say that the price should be dropped when you're not the one paying the expenses. I know what would drive sales even further; paying 100€ for everyone who picks up a BD player from the store.

 

And, usually when you read a story, it's telling only about how thing are locally. Maybe you can provide a link which shows how well BD is doing in relation to DVD after its launch in Australia (besides, this was about standalone players, which expectedly have a longer life in your entertainment canter than a console, which you replace after the new ones come out).



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Bodhesatva said:
makingmusic476 said:
shams said:

"The shift from VHS to DVD a decade ago offered tangible benefits such as significantly improved picture quality and the ability to skip instantly to any scene of the film. However, Blu-ray's improvements over DVD are less pronounced and largely limited to a noticeable but far from extreme increase in picture quality, provided a big screen HDTV is used."

 

I've always disliked this line of reasoning.  While yes, there is less of an incentive to upgrade to Blu-Ray from DVD like there was to upgrade to DVD from VHS, it's also much EASIER to ugprade to Blu-Ray from DVD than it was going to DVD from VHS.

When you buy a Blu-Ray player, all your DVDs will play in the machine, and they'll all look better because of it, due to upscaling.  When you bought a DVD player back in 1998, it made all your VHS tapes obsolete, unless you kept both players around (which many people did).  It also did nothing to increase the quality of the movies you already owned.

In a few years, standalone Blu-Ray players will have dropped to or past the $100 mark.  At this point in time, what will keep people from buying a Blu-Ray player over a regular old DVD player?  Hell, manufacturers could just advertise it as a DVD player, and the few uninformed consumers left would never be the wiser.

Blu-Ray drives will probably end up like DVD drives for PCs today.  They can play practically everything, including obscure formats like DVD-Ram, but that's just about all they make, because it's cheaper for manufacturers to focus on 1-2 SKUs.  That's just what you buy.  You don't track down a CD drive for your PC if you have no interest in playing DVDs.  You just buy the DVD drive.

I pretty much agree with this. On the other hand, that will likely be at least a couple years until that price point is reached, and I'm not sure how studios respond if it actually does take that long. Blech.

I'm not saying I disagree
, Makin, I'm just saying I can see things that point in either direction. I am firmly in the "it's very unclear, there are future indicators that point in both directions, and we don't have many statistics that aren't heavily spun, so let's just wait and see" camp.

 

 

The bolded together made me chuckle.

But yeah, I basically agree with you, though I personally feel that the scenario I outlined above is this most likely to happen, out of all those possible.



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makingmusic476 said:
Bodhesatva said:
makingmusic476 said:
shams said:

"The shift from VHS to DVD a decade ago offered tangible benefits such as significantly improved picture quality and the ability to skip instantly to any scene of the film. However, Blu-ray's improvements over DVD are less pronounced and largely limited to a noticeable but far from extreme increase in picture quality, provided a big screen HDTV is used."

 

I've always disliked this line of reasoning.  While yes, there is less of an incentive to upgrade to Blu-Ray from DVD like there was to upgrade to DVD from VHS, it's also much EASIER to ugprade to Blu-Ray from DVD than it was going to DVD from VHS.

When you buy a Blu-Ray player, all your DVDs will play in the machine, and they'll all look better because of it, due to upscaling.  When you bought a DVD player back in 1998, it made all your VHS tapes obsolete, unless you kept both players around (which many people did).  It also did nothing to increase the quality of the movies you already owned.

In a few years, standalone Blu-Ray players will have dropped to or past the $100 mark.  At this point in time, what will keep people from buying a Blu-Ray player over a regular old DVD player?  Hell, manufacturers could just advertise it as a DVD player, and the few uninformed consumers left would never be the wiser.

Blu-Ray drives will probably end up like DVD drives for PCs today.  They can play practically everything, including obscure formats like DVD-Ram, but that's just about all they make, because it's cheaper for manufacturers to focus on 1-2 SKUs.  That's just what you buy.  You don't track down a CD drive for your PC if you have no interest in playing DVDs.  You just buy the DVD drive.

I pretty much agree with this. On the other hand, that will likely be at least a couple years until that price point is reached, and I'm not sure how studios respond if it actually does take that long. Blech.

I'm not saying I disagree
, Makin, I'm just saying I can see things that point in either direction. I am firmly in the "it's very unclear, there are future indicators that point in both directions, and we don't have many statistics that aren't heavily spun, so let's just wait and see" camp.

 

 

The bolded together made me chuckle.

But yeah, I basically agree with you, though I personally feel that the scenario I outlined above is this most likely to happen, out of all those possible.

 

Or would you prefer you don't disagree.



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Jo21 said:
there is no way it will not pick up.

if dvd managed to get where it is blu ray will.

blu ray is just beginning to pick up like the DVD it, since HD TV are not widely spread yet it will take a while.

 

 

To get the most out of Blu-ray you need a HD TV. An item that a majority of the world either cannot afford or doesn't care for. It is almost impossible for Blu-ray to become as popular as DVD, particularly given there is relatively little incentive to repurchase movies/tv-shows you already have on DVD. Blu-ray is, quite simply, destined to be mediocre.

 

 



 
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Picko said:
Jo21 said:
there is no way it will not pick up.

if dvd managed to get where it is blu ray will.

blu ray is just beginning to pick up like the DVD it, since HD TV are not widely spread yet it will take a while.

 

 

To get the most out of Blu-ray you need a HD TV. An item that a majority of the world either cannot afford or doesn't care for. It is almost impossible for Blu-ray to become as popular as DVD, particularly given there is relatively little incentive to repurchase movies/tv-shows you already have on DVD. Blu-ray is, quite simply, destined to be mediocre.

 

 

 

Just because it won't be as big as DVD doesn't mean it'll be mediocre.

 

For fun and giggles, which BD will get to a million first, Ironman or TDK?



Hmm. loaded question. Well with the amount of HDTV's being sold that aren't 1080p Alot of people think whats the purpose of getting bluray. Especially with the digital conversion of airwaves not in 1080p people opt for the 720p (it's slightly cheaper and whats being broadcast). Being a technological enthuisiast....I love bluray, I love over 2 million pixels...but seriously..... is it worth it? Yes.



A few years ago Blu-Ray didn't exist, now it has 5% of the US market. Well done Blu-Ray.



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