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HappySqurriel on 02 October 2008

One of the nicer things about consoles being able to update their OS/Firmware is that (hypothetically speaking) any of the console manufacturers could make it so that a game could run on their current generation system with low-detail graphics while the next generation system could have a high-detail version of the graphics. This is a lot like how PC games work, and should allow for some improvement from buying the next generation system while still preserving support for the current generation system.

 



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Final-Fan on 03 October 2008
FreeTalkLive said:
I have no clue why the next Xbox needs to have Blu-ray. It could be DVD, HD DVD, an improved version of DVD, carts, direct download, something else, or it could even have more than 1 format (like all of the consoles currently have).

I didn't really see the meaning in your other reasons.

There's no reason why they can't use HD-DVD for the games (assuming they can even dig up anyone to produce them, which may or may not be feasible, I have no idea), but if they want people to be able to watch their Blu-ray movies on the system it's obviously going to have to be Blu-ray capable.  This may not be considered an essential function but it is a selling point for some people.



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Final-Fan on 03 October 2008
HappySqurriel said:
One of the nicer things about consoles being able to update their OS/Firmware is that (hypothetically speaking) any of the console manufacturers could make it so that a game could run on their current generation system with low-detail graphics while the next generation system could have a high-detail version of the graphics. This is a lot like how PC games work, and should allow for some improvement from buying the next generation system while still preserving support for the current generation system.

Is this truly possible/practical?  I don't really know anything about it, but I had had the impression that console OSes were built much more closely around the hardware, so it couldn't really be able to "bridge the gap". 

I mean, I'm sure you wouldn't have brought this up if you didn't have reason to believe it was possible, but it sounds MUCH too good to be true. 

And from a more cynical standpoint, the transition from old to new systems is already so messy that I'm not sure anyone would dare.  But that's a-whole-nother discussion. 



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MattAAron on 03 October 2008

I think either Nintendo or Microsoft will use the Cell Technology in their next console :)



mwjw696 on 03 October 2008

s-grandi93 said:
yep the 720 is destined to fail now... charges to use blu - ray will be way to high... microsoft quit now!! = )

Respect for compans: SONY > NINTENDO >>>>>>>>>> MICROSOFT

 

 Are you fucking serious? Lissen here fanboy. Sony is getting there ass handed to them by 2 gamecubes duck-taped together, and a system that has emo written all over it RROD style. You seriously think Microsoft cant over come a simple disk issue. Bitch please GTFO and STFU!

 

PS: The fact that you respect Sony over Nintendo, just shows the world that you must have some preaty good lube when Sony keeps fucking you over. Enjoy Home in 2012



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dallas on 03 October 2008
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Also, Sony is wanting to expand their production of semiconductors, probably to find a way to make cheaper chips for their electronic products which I think is a brilliant idea and it is entirely possible that Sony will start wanting to make their own Cell chips to avoid having to pay out of the a$$ to some other company

Just in, Sony is rumored to be strongly considering using the Cell for the PS4, and if so, they will undoubtedly be able to save in comparison to starting over from scratch with respect to another processor.

Just as MS will probably use a slightly altered version of an IBM PPC chip again, saving in production time and R&D costs.

Really, none of these things will matter one bit in the big picture when the next generation starts. These are fanboy talking points, nothing more.

 

You might be right, in face I think that you probably are correct, but look at my statement again from another direction.  As the cell's enormous amounts of R&D costs made the early versions of the PS3 expensive, this won't be an issue for sony the next go-around.

 



Final-Fan on 03 October 2008

^ I agree. It's not that Sony will have an advantage over MS next gen in that respect, but rather that Sony will not have a disadvantage that it had this time.

Of course, there are advantages Sony had this time around that it won't have next time, too ...



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HappySqurriel on 03 October 2008
Final-Fan said:
HappySqurriel said:
One of the nicer things about consoles being able to update their OS/Firmware is that (hypothetically speaking) any of the console manufacturers could make it so that a game could run on their current generation system with low-detail graphics while the next generation system could have a high-detail version of the graphics. This is a lot like how PC games work, and should allow for some improvement from buying the next generation system while still preserving support for the current generation system.

Is this truly possible/practical?  I don't really know anything about it, but I had had the impression that console OSes were built much more closely around the hardware, so it couldn't really be able to "bridge the gap". 

I mean, I'm sure you wouldn't have brought this up if you didn't have reason to believe it was possible, but it sounds MUCH too good to be true. 

And from a more cynical standpoint, the transition from old to new systems is already so messy that I'm not sure anyone would dare.  But that's a-whole-nother discussion. 

If the CPU isn't too different, and you have a proper hardware abstraction layer for the Graphics hardware, you should be able to provide 100% compatibility between executeables from the current generation hardware to the next generation hardware. At the same time, you should be able to update the API in such a way that you can query to see if certain hardware (or features) is present and to allow the program to take advantage of it if it is present.

Essentially, if the operationg system treats the hardware in a similar fashion to how most operating systems treat their hardware they should be able to do this.

 

 

 



piggychan on 03 October 2008

I'd love for the 720 to go back to cartridge based games .. cartridges that hold up to a terrabyte of data.



Final-Fan on 04 October 2008

^ lol wut



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